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Old 11-14-2013   #121
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Why is Kubiak still here. The season is over. McNair should take the words right out of Kubiaks mouth. I'm not giving anyone anything. Especially not a head coach. Seriously? Marciano, bullock, Schaub? What a joke.

Why not start the search now? Give the new head coach a chance to test drive the team.
Exactly where are you going to find a HC in the middle of the NFL and college seasons?
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When did Kubiak ever put pressure on Schaub? He was handed the job on a silver platter after the trade. And he never had to compete for the starting job since.
So how's that working out for us?

Kubiak's got a decision to make in about 5 months. He doesn't have time to put pressure on Keenum in the off-season. It's got to be now.
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Well, we are a collective group-think as a forum.

In all seriousness, though, what context do you think Kubiak meant that statement?
Someone probably asked him if Matt is mailing it in.
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Exactly where are you going to find a HC in the middle of the NFL and college seasons?

Up in the booth.
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Exactly where are you going to find a HC in the middle of the NFL and college seasons?
Some fans just don't pay attention. McNair will never fire a head coach in the middle of the season. Never.

For a city that hated Bud Adams, there sure are a lot of folks that seem to want an owner that acts just like him.
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So how's that working out for us?

Kubiak's got a decision to make in about 5 months. He doesn't have time to put pressure on Keenum in the off-season. It's got to be now
So you think case doesn't feel pressure to perform? You think if kubiak hadn't said this case would go all cruise control, like yeah, I got this?

Let's be real here. You don't think that the potential for this team to pick a qb in round 1 is enough of a motivator for him to perform?

Kubiak meant what he said. There's absolutely no motivational quality in it. He's ready to throw Schaub back in there.

My concern with the statement is how long of a rope is he going to give case. If he yanks him after a bad game or two, that's an issue. You need to fully evaluate this guy and short of monumental melt down, he should remain the starter.

If case proves he's not the guy, then I don't care what kubiak does at qb because we'll need to take one in the first round anyways.

But my concern with the statement is that kubiak won't give case the rope that he should have. Which makes no sense.
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So you think case doesn't feel pressure to perform? You think if kubiak hadn't said this case would go all cruise control, like yeah, I got this?

Let's be real here. You don't think that the potential for this team to pick a qb in round 1 is enough of a motivator for him to perform?

Kubiak meant what he said. There's absolutely no motivational quality in it. He's ready to throw Schaub back in there.

My concern with the statement is how long of a rope is he going to give case. If he yanks him after a bad game or two, that's an issue. You need to fully evaluate this guy and short of monumental melt down, he should remain the starter.

If case proves he's not the guy, then I don't care what kubiak does at qb because we'll need to take one in the first round anyways.

But my concern with the statement is that kubiak won't give case the rope that he should have. Which makes no sense.

agreed

(on if hell use the rest of the year to see if QB Case Keenum can start each week and be a starter in the NFL) No, I wouldnt say that. Im going to keep going week-to-week. Matts (Schaub) working really hard. I know what Matt wants back on the field. I think Case has played really well and done a lot of good things. He has made a lot of mistakes too that hes got to correct. Weve been in some close ball games with the ball in his hand at the end of the game and weve got to get over the hump there. I think we just keep going. I think he needs a little pressure on him to continue to have to play well and stay in there. Im not going to give anybody anything, much less a quarterback.

that was the exact quote, to me its more than pressure on case, its a way to say matt will start again just waiting for case to make one mistake
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So you think case doesn't feel pressure to perform? You think if kubiak hadn't said this case would go all cruise control, like yeah, I got this?
Can never be enough pressure for a franchise QB.

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Let's be real here. You don't think that the potential for this team to pick a qb in round 1 is enough of a motivator for him to perform?
I firmly believe if we had Aaron Rodgers here, it wouldn't be enough. We need a right tackle, we need an OLB. If the Texans feel they Case can handle the job, we may not be "forced" to reach for the next Blaine Gabbert.

& let's be honest here. Regardless what the coach says, Matt isn't pushing anybody. He just wants to promote the appearance that there's competition, kinda like that preseason back-up QB competition.

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Kubiak meant what he said. There's absolutely no motivational quality in it. He's ready to throw Schaub back in there.

My concern with the statement is how long of a rope is he going to give case. If he yanks him after a bad game or two, that's an issue. You need to fully evaluate this guy and short of monumental melt down, he should remain the starter.

If case proves he's not the guy, then I don't care what kubiak does at qb because we'll need to take one in the first round anyways.

But my concern with the statement is that kubiak won't give case the rope that he should have. Which makes no sense.
Case is Kubiak's guy. Just as much as Matt ever was. We've seen nothing to make anyone think Kubiak will pull Case too soon. If Kubiak really wanted Matt back in the game, he'd have yanked him after that fumble returned for a TD in Arizona.
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(on if he’ll use the rest of the year to see if QB Case Keenum can start each week and be a starter in the NFL) “No, I wouldn’t say that. I’m going to keep going week-to-week. Matt’s (Schaub) working really hard. I know what Matt wants back on the field. I think Case has played really well and done a lot of good things. He has made a lot of mistakes too that he’s got to correct. We’ve been in some close ball games with the ball in his hand at the end of the game and we’ve got to get over the hump there. I think we just keep going. I think he needs a little pressure on him to continue to have to play well and stay in there. I’m not going to give anybody anything, much less a quarterback.”

that was the exact quote, to me its more than pressure on case, its a way to say matt will start again just waiting for case to make one mistake
Guess what the Raiders are going to do to Case. They're going to blitz him. This is game 4, Case has got to give them a reason to change their mind. I haven't seen the all 22. I haven't even watched the 2nd half of the Arizona game (yet... just a matter of time), but I guarantee you he had options he didn't take.

Yes, the blitz is going to beat him every now & again, but he's got to beat it from time to time. If defenses don't respect his ability, he has no business starting.

Don't take this to mean I don't think he can do it. I'm hoping with everything I can..... all the koolaid we've got left, that we win the next 7 games straight up. It is my wish that Keenum breaks every one of Matt Schaub's records, & Carr's consecutive completion record. But the reality is we've got less than 200 yards of total offense in the second half of the last 3 games combined. Not all Case's fault (just like 2-4 wasn't all Schaub), but he's a big part of it. He's the QB.
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Case is Kubiak's guy. Just as much as Matt ever was. We've seen nothing to make anyone think Kubiak will pull Case too soon. If Kubiak really wanted Matt back in the game, he'd have yanked him after that fumble returned for a TD in Arizona.

Maybe he didn't because he wasn't there. Phillips was coaching that game.
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It freaking burns me.
You have a QB coming into AZ and performed way better than the rest; more highly regarded.

The lack of real accountability has shown

Kubiak is gone:
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You sound like you have a huge crush on Matt and Gary.
Just Gary. I like Matt but recognize,better, the degree of his physical limitations after seeing keenum the past few weeks. Still, keenum is 0-3 with the inability to get it done in close games in the 4 the quarter in all 3games.
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Just Gary. I like Matt but recognize,better, the degree of his physical limitations after seeing keenum the past few weeks. Still, keenum is 0-3 with the inability to get it done in close games in the 4 the quarter in all 3games.
And what is Matt's record in the prior 4 games?
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It's actually easy for Kubiak to make this statement in advance of a stretch where Case has Oakland and Jacksonville coming up...at home. Keenum should light both up and at that point he is in for the duration of the season...just needs a win or two.
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Just Gary. I like Matt but recognize,better, the degree of his physical limitations after seeing keenum the past few weeks. Still, keenum is 0-3 with the inability to get it done in close games in the 4 the quarter in all 3games.
Hard to try and close out games with no run game and a broken O-line letting guys blitz at will. Imagine what Keenum could have done behind OD, Foster, Andre and our O-Line from a couple of seasons back. Hell, imagine Keenum behind our team in the beginning of the season when still relatively healthy.
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Case is 0-3 jus saying I can cee were if he does not win and starts to play bad he cold be sent right back to the bench


how many games are left 6 I would hope we don't lose the rest of the way
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It's actually easy for Kubiak to make this statement in advance of a stretch where Case has Oakland and Jacksonville coming up...at home. Keenum should light both up and at that point he is in for the duration of the season...just needs a win or two.
We're 2-7. Even if we beat Oakland & Jacksonville, we'll be 4-7. There will not be an appropriate time for Kubiak to say he is satisfied with anything on this team unless the rest of the AFC chokes & we sneak into the play-offs at 9-7.

He can't say that he's happy with his QB..... he's been saying that for 6 years & you see where that's got us. He can't say he's happy with his OL, Special Teams, or defense. Or his coaching staff, or anything.

This is one huge disappointment.

You've just got to know that Kubiak isn't going to put Schaub in the game. There's no reason for it. He's not going to say it this year, but Case Keenum has been our starting QB since KC & he'll be treated like it. He's going to get some slack, he'll be allowed to make mistakes, he's not going to get benched, even if he has a bad game.

But Rick Smith is not going to rush to sign him to an extension with $60M guaranteed, we're not going to cut Schaub & Gary will not announce Case is our "starting QB" for the remainder of the season.
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So how's that working out for us?

Kubiak's got a decision to make in about 5 months. He doesn't have time to put pressure on Keenum in the off-season. It's got to be now.
So you're saying KubiAk finally learns how to do his job ?
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We're 2-7. Even if we beat Oakland & Jacksonville, we'll be 4-7. There will not be an appropriate time for Kubiak to say he is satisfied with anything on this team unless the rest of the AFC chokes & we sneak into the play-offs at 9-7.

He can't say that he's happy with his QB..... he's been saying that for 6 years & you see where that's got us. He can't say he's happy with his OL, Special Teams, or defense. Or his coaching staff, or anything.

This is one huge disappointment.

You've just got to know that Kubiak isn't going to put Schaub in the game. There's no reason for it. He's not going to say it this year, but Case Keenum has been our starting QB since KC & he'll be treated like it. He's going to get some slack, he'll be allowed to make mistakes, he's not going to get benched, even if he has a bad game.

But Rick Smith is not going to rush to sign him to an extension with $60M guaranteed, we're not going to cut Schaub & Gary will not announce Case is our "starting QB" for the remainder of the season.
And now you're saying that you just know Rick is going to his job as well.
I laugh so hard.
That was comic gold.
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Just Gary. I like Matt but recognize,better, the degree of his physical limitations after seeing keenum the past few weeks. Still, keenum is 0-3 with the inability to get it done in close games in the 4 the quarter in all 3games.
I'm somewhat surprised you couldn't see these physical limitations when comparing Schaub to other NFL quarterbacks in the beginning of the year. Maybe some study of other organizations for comparison to the Texans would help set the bar when evaluating the team/players.
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