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Old 11-14-2013   #361
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Thin skin not an issue for Buddy Ryan's boy.
It is an interesting contrast, because you know the same words spoken by Reed in the Jets locker room would get a chuckle from Ryan at a press conference and he'd probably agree and move on. Ryan has a teflon coating about these things. Obviously you have to with the New York media scrutiny.

Very unlike the stern bitter beer face of Kubiak and the sort of quasi-denial of "we just wanted Reed to get a chance somewhere else because we respect him so much".

That said, I don't want Kubiak or Ryan as head coach of the Texans.
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ND Kalu said this morning on his radio show that Reed's agent had requested a release from Rick Smith, and Reed opening his mouth was a way to tweak Smith into making it happen...
That makes more sense to me, and changes my opinion.

Perhaps Reed will improve playing more snaps, but he leaves the Texans rated 72nd/82 Safeties (>25% team snaps, PFF) with a league worst opposing QB rating of 158.3 when targeted.
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Absolutely the same. Feels just like it but compared to Ed's beat up ass Marshall still had a couple of Pro Bowl seasons left in him. At least Wilbur still had tires.

But yeah, same thing. Scary. Bob ain't Bud but he's got more similarities than many of us would like to admit. I guess it's just an NFL owner kind of thing.
Yep

And BoB considered Bud a friend and mentor. You have to wonder about a person who would befriend Bud.
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It really is that simple. You don't find out if works or not until you have the benefit of hindsight. That's why it's a wonderful thing.

"I know I'm held to higher standards because of what I've done in the past, but that was the past," he said. "I'm a totally different player now!"

Per the Chronicle, that is what he revealed in his post-game interview.

Really Ed? I'm sure you made that known before you signed that contract, right? And you wonder why you got cut.

The guy couldn't perform and ran his mouth. It is really that simple. But I get it. For the purpose of conducting dialogue and carrying out conversation, it's necessary to take something simple and make it complicated. That's how it works.
Bottom line for me is Rick/Texans medical staff got played by Reed. This is not the 1st time this has happened under this regime. But it should be the last. You swing and miss too many times and you get fired. Atleast that's how it works in the real world. Not that the Texans have ever lived in the real world. Gig'em
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At least we don't have to worry about him possibly making us look foolish again
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ND Kalu said this morning on his radio show that Reed's agent had requested a release from Rick Smith, and Reed opening his mouth was a way to tweak Smith into making it happen.

If so, my perception that the franchise has been played like a fiddle twice this year by Reed appears to be true.

Kalu also echoed my sentiment in this thread. You hire a leader who is known to be vocal in the past, so do not be surprised if said leader is vocal in bad times, as well. That's what leaders are often about, brutal honesty. And that's never been the "Texans way".

Now just speculation, Kalu and Koch were talking to Keenan McCardell about the effects of this on the locker room during a losing season. They all agreed it puts a chill on players and lets them know that their opinions are neither invited nor valued by the front office and coaching staff.

Keenan McCardell also confirmed there is a "Texans way" and every player is advised about it when they join the franchise. McCardell played for Kubiak's Texans in off-season 2007, so he does have some experience to reflect on, fwiw. (btw, he's not bitter and likes Kubiak, so it was more analysis than criticism. For instance, New England also has the "Patriots way", like many other teams.)
After the Dunta Robinson episode and simple observation of Rick Smith and his stealthy, reactionary leadership for many years, I think many of us can see this kind of corporate sanitation that may work well for accounting firms or administration of Cogeneration systems but it doesn't work for performance art. You gotta have talent to be in the talent business, and you have to let your talent have creative space. In the NFL you gotta have talented Players, Coaches and Administrators.

That said, there are two problems with our current situation. The first one is that Rick Smith isn't leading this organization because he is way too much of a figurehead. Too many people telling him what to do. Gary hired him and he is handcuffed by his deal with the devil to get this job. Rick took the job with understanding that Kubiak is going to have a ton of power. No job otherwise I'm sure. McNair tells Smith to court Reed, even pulls out the corporate jet. Rick Smith doesn't own his nuts. One is in Kubiak's hands and the other is in the Owner's grip or at least micromanaged and sanitized into being a caricature of itself.

Problem two: Running with ND Kalu's insight and Keenan McCardell's confirmation the Texans have a league wide reputation/perception problem and not just a locker room problem. You can get players to play ball without micromanaging everything. A relaxed atmosphere is hard to obtain when you have too many handlers. The Texans need a top down organization that has thicker skin. You can go about this in many ways, but the current configuration isn't a winning formula unless you consider passive-aggressive, figure head GM's with no real power a good model for a NFL franchise.
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ed reed is a jet!.just before their game with the Ravens..........
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ed reed is a jet!.just before their game with the Ravens..........
Jets are 5-4 and could still make the playoffs.

Watch him make us look like idiots ...
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ed reed is a jet!.just before their game with the Ravens..........
The Jets are paying him $400k from what I hear. He robbed us.
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Jets are 5-4 and could still make the playoffs.

Watch him make us look like idiots ...
I think he already did that...
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Is it wrong that I hope Ed Reed plays awesome thus making our FO and coaching staff look even worse than they already do?
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Watch him make us look like idiots ...
The Texans were an 0-7 team with Ed Reed playing. I don't really care what he does for the Jets.
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Jets are 5-4 and could still make the playoffs...
And that's why he's gone. He saw the S.S. Texans was a sinking ship and forced his way out to play some meaningful ball -- if he can play on that walker we gave him. At his age, can't blame him I guess.
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He's going back to a system he knows and that will create turnovers. Wade's defense just doesn't create interceptions.
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He's going back to a system he knows and that will create turnovers. Wade's defense just doesn't create interceptions.
ints are hard to come by when your dbs never look for the ball
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ints are hard to come by when your dbs never look for the ball
DBs are always man to man and in a trail technique. No opportunities to jump routes.

When was the last time a Texan DB or LB was able to jump a route or trick an opposing QB by lurking in a zone? It sure happens a bunch against the Texans.
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Is it wrong that I hope Ed Reed plays awesome thus making our FO and coaching staff look even worse than they already do?
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He's going back to a system he knows and that will create turnovers. Wade's defense just doesn't create interceptions.
Interceptions:

2013 - Texans 29th, Packers 32nd
2012 - Texans 14th, Packers 8th
2011 - Texans 13th, Packers 1st

Systems stay the same and get very different results.
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this is my feelings as well
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