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Old 11-12-2013   #261
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So the real question is not whether or not he should be cut, but rather why he was cut then. Hopefully it was because as a player Reed sucks and that means Bullocks, Marciano, Newton, Schaub, McCain, OC, and Kubiak. If it was because he spoke out, well that sends a clear message to players with character that we value stupidity and deceit over performance and winning.
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I think we need a new team doctor.

I don't think Reed would have passed CnD's muster.


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So the real question is not whether or not he should be cut, but rather why he was cut then. Hopefully it was because as a player Reed sucks and that means Bullocks, Marciano, Newton, Schaub, McCain, OC, and Kubiak. If it was because he spoke out, well that sends a clear message to players with character that we value stupidity and deceit over performance and winning.
That is oversimplification and poor logic:

Other factors like:

1. ability to find a suitable replacement
2. Salary cap ramifications
3. intangibles that we aren't fully privy to

** Antonio Smith has been outspoken in the past. He has played out a five year contract. Paying a guy $5 million, having him perform very poorly, and also being a public relation headache and not buying into the team's philosophy likely all worked together... If he was playing well, he'd still be on the team. We can be confident of that.
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A guy speaks his mind, has a voice of his own, lets his opinion be known and what do we do?

We cut and release him. 3 guys, two young talented players smoke weed (cigars whatever) and we cut them straight out.

This Zero Tolerance Draconian style Philosophy HAS. GOT. TO. STOP.
Really? They didn't cut anyone contributing to the team, at all... I don't see any zero tolerance philosophy from that...

As a Cowboy fan in the Jimmy Johnson era- Jimmy gave a lot of rope to quality players (which has been well documented). However, when a mediocre player or non-essential player screwed up, he dumped him immediately.

The Texans clearly have a different talent acquisition policy than that Cowboy team did (prioritizing character more highly). However, I don't see any sign that they are less tolerant or more reactionary to players on the team. Maybe his comments were an excuse to cut dead weight... But, dead weight is dead weight. They tolerated Dunta Robinson until he was utterly worthless. They have handled Antonio Smith throughout the five years of his contract. Pollard was vocal as well and the Texans didn't cut him during a season and only let him go after his atrocious on field performance throughout 2010.
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They didn't cut Reed because of his play, they cut him because he spoke out and said the got damned truth! This team has been seriously out coached this entire season.
I could get with that if Reed had come out and said the Texans were outcoached because they decided to sign and play an old, slow, washed up, gimp hipped, sorry ass safety. If he had said those words, then I'd be all about him telling the truth.
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I could get with that if Reed had come out and said the Texans were outcoached because they decided to sign and play an old, slow, washed up, gimp hipped, sorry ass safety. If he had said those words, then I'd be all about him telling the truth.
Has this team been out coached? yes or no.

Hate Ed and all his production but he told the truth. If you cant see then you don't understand the game period.
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Has this team been out coached? yes or no.
I already said - every time they put Ed Reed on the field. Or hired him.
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It was a combo of both.. Talked the talk...then someone younger and cheaper was doing as good as he. So cut bait. If Texans had a good record they would have talked privately and kept him around for veteran support. But defense is sucking And team out of contention..sooo lets clear salary cap early
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I already said - every time they put Ed Reed on the field. Or hired him.
Why do you keep mentioning that? They have been out coached, out classed and pretty much just outed all damn season long. Blame Ed Reed all you want but my point stands: he spoke the truth and some of you just don't want to hear it

This franchise is **** at this point
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Why do you keep mentioning that? They have been out coached, out classed and pretty much just outed all damn season long. Blame Ed Reed all you want but my point stands: he spoke the truth and some of you just don't want to hear it

This franchise is **** at this point
Ed Reed did speak the truth. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea to cut him.
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This forum has imploded even more spectacularly than the Texans' season, and that's saying something.
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Why do you keep mentioning that?
Was it a good coaching decision to hire Ed Reed? Yes or no?

Was it a good coaching decision to play Ed Reed? Yes or no?

When you answer those, you'll understand why I keep bringing it up. This team has been outcoached in part BECAUSE OF Ed Reed. So yeah, he spoke the truth. I just fail to see how that puts him above the fray in your eyes. Hell, firing his slow, decrepit, no hip having, sorry ass is the second best coaching decision the Texans have made this year. So maybe they're finally on the right track.
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According to justtxyank at clutchfans, credible insider, the way they handled the reed situation was not pretty and the football operations side along with Kubiak are in serious trouble, according to his source.
So the janitor has been outed??
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Was it a good coaching decision to hire Ed Reed? Yes or no?

Was it a good coaching decision to play Ed Reed? Yes or no?

When you answer those, you'll understand why I keep bringing it up. This team has been outcoached in part BECAUSE OF Ed Reed. So yeah, he spoke the truth. I just fail to see how that puts him above the fray in your eyes. Hell, firing his slow, decrepit, no hip having, sorry ass is the second best coaching decision the Texans have made this year. So maybe they're finally on the right track.
I was ok with the reed signing ESP after drafting DJ. I looked as reed as someone that could bring experience to a defense that will go up against Manning and Brady in the playoffs. That is when things count

However. Our defense sucks beside Watt and can't generate a pass rush worth ****. So without a pass rush. We see what is happening to JJo and KJ and rest of the crew
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Ed Reed did speak the truth. That doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea to cut him.
I never said it wasn't. Go re read my first post in this matter.

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Was it a good coaching decision to hire Ed Reed? Yes or no?

Was it a good coaching decision to play Ed Reed? Yes or no?

When you answer those, you'll understand why I keep bringing it up. This team has been outcoached in part BECAUSE OF Ed Reed. So yeah, he spoke the truth. I just fail to see how that puts him above the fray in your eyes. Hell, firing his slow, decrepit, no hip having, sorry ass is the second best coaching decision the Texans have made this year. So maybe they're finally on the right track.
Same here: go re read my original post. It doesn't put him above it but I DO have huge issues with people acting like "oh its about time he sucks!". He spoke the truth and got cut because of it yet Schaub, Marciano, Newton, Kubiak, Philips, fat kicker, Reed/Mercilus,.....(need I keep going?) just get a damn pass.

The ownership of this team ahs the wool pulled over peoples eyes and you devour the slop they put in front of you, thank them and then ask for seconds.
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I was ok with the reed signing ESP after drafting DJ.
I wanted DJ Swearinger in the draft before we ever let Quin go. I was against the Ed Reed signing from the start. I thought Quin was a good player that should have been retained, or at least have his departure planned for by drafting a safety the year before or something. Ed Reed was his replacement plan. IMO at the time, it didn't take a genius to figure out that was going to suck.
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Agreed.

And also, right before saying that he said that the team played well but in "certain situations we were outplayed and out coached"

It can't be because of that statement. There has to be more to it because that is nothing.
Agree for sure. Something here doesn't pass the smell test. I'm on record along with several others as saying this was another A. Green signing which McNair said we wouldn't ever do again and then he championed the chasing of Reed. Consistency? I think not.

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Never mind, carry on. Just sayin...

Really??? REALLY?????

WOW Wow to the bolded!! That's pretty much one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen!

There were some other responses to cstyles posts that I wanted to quote but couldn't find them.....

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Honestly, to me this move makes the Texans coaches look worst then Reed.

His comment wasn't exactly a grievous insult and most real fans knew he was right, even if they didn't like him being the one to say it. The fact that they cut him a day or two after saying something slightly inflammatory, seems like either they couldn't take criticism (despite it being warranted with how this team has collapsed) or they are trying to appear tough with a move that seems bold on paper but is really just flaccid.

Meanwhile Brice McCain is likely to start for us if either Jonathan Joseph or Kareem Jackson get hurt... February can't come soon enough.
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