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Old 11-12-2013   #241
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Wow Texans are building a case when it comes to how fast they can release black players versus white players just sayin...
That's because Rick Smith hates black people.
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soooooo.... Marciano Next?
No he is too quiet and doesn't rock the boat
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Agreed.

And also, right before saying that he said that the team played well but in "certain situations we were outplayed and out coached"

It can't be because of that statement. There has to be more to it because that is nothing.
I think there is more to it as well. If JJ Watt said we were outplayed and outcoached he would still be a Texan the next day. They cut Reed for performance IMO.
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Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
C'mon DB. The guy was completely stinking it up on the field. You know that. We all know that. So, don't you think he should be the one to talk about criticizing anyone, except himself?

If you're playing bad enough to get benched, discretion would follow to keep your mouth shut. Not really a hard concept to grasp.
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Do you honestly believe the term "outplayed and outcoached" during a 7 game losing streak is "airing the team's dirty laundry"?

It's not like Reed named names or specifically pointed out certain players or coaches. Unless there is an interview or tweet that I have not heard about, this is as generic as it gets.

I've heard the term "outplayed and outcoached" for decades. I would not be surprised if it's a term he used as a Raven at some point in the past decade.

And yeah, it is a form of leadership, and Ed being Ed is exactly who they bought. Just because his leadership is not the style they desire during a historic franchise meltdown doesn't mean that it's not a form of leadership.
I was a big Ed Reed fan before he got here - but I think he should have kept it "in house".

It's all about timing. In week 2 or 4, his comments would not really be a big deal. But after 7 losses in a row, after the HC has had a TIA and is convalescing at home and the team is being coached by the coordinators, after he has not only played poorly but did so after missing all of training camp and the first two games with an injury that he should have disclosed, after all that happened this year, those comments were very counterproductive.

He said more than just "outplayed and out coached" he rambled on about doing the same thing over and over again the same way. I don't think he was wrong ... I just think what he said was all about Ed Reed not about trying to help the Texans.
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All of those players were here last year and the owner still brought Ed Reed in to teach them mental toughness against teams like the Patriots. This according to the owner's own words.

McNair was obviously not content with the leadership last season.
Yep. McNair made it clear several times that Reed was being brought in because of his "mental toughness" and "leadership."
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Completely wrong. There are other ways to lead besides criticizing coaching to the media.

JJ Watt
Andre Johnson
Duane Brown
Brian Cushing
They aren't leaders... they want to win but they don't hold any weight on the head coach or owner.
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They aren't leaders... they want to win but they don't hold any weight on the head coach or owner.


Im not sure you would be qualified to say who isnt a leader on the team
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That's because Rick Smith hates black people.
Rick Smith has no power he simply doing what he is told. Hence why he hasn't been fired.
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So basically we have announcers calling what our plays are in the red zone and reed saying exactly what we knew...running same **** over and over.

I do like gary and wade. But I am thinking we need to dump the horse and wagon and upgrade to one of those horseless carriages to compete in the new NFL



Hell maybe Bob can bring in Dan Reeves to consult first
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They aren't leaders... they want to win but they don't hold any weight on the head coach or owner.
"They aren't leaders ..." you gotta be kidding.

"They don't hold any weight on the HC or the owner" ... ??? What does that mean? Not sure what you are getting at there.

So ... the new guy that fails to disclose a serious injury, misses all of training camp, calls out the coaches in the media after getting demoted is a leader ... but

JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, Brain Cushing and Duane Brown are not ....
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Im not defending Ed Reed for his play. He has not been all that impactful this season at all. .

Now that is said: I am sick and tired of the ****ing dog and pony show that is the Houston Texans. They didn't cut Reed because of his play, they cut him because he spoke out and said the got damned truth! This team has been seriously out coached this entire season. They will cut Reed because he made a couple comments yet they let:

-- Schaub ruin the entire first third of the season and took no action. Only reason Case got his shot is because of the injury. Schaub wasn't hurt he wouldnt have been replaced until after the KC game
--Derek Newton is a complete hologram of a person at RT and his back up has out played him at every chance he has gotten, yet he STILL starts
--Randy "fatass aggie" Bullock missed field goals in week 1 and continues to miss even now and has cost them the past two games, yet nothing is done.
--Joe Marciano, special teams coach, runs the worst special teams unit for two consecutive seasons now and nothing is done
--Our OLB's are trash and nothing is done

Yet Ed got cut because he spoke the damned truth!

The inability to make ANY adjustments during a game is infuriating and laughable all at once. The CBS announcers quoted Patrick Peterson during the Cardinals game saying that the Texans DONT make any adjustments at halftime either with the lead or without. Look at this entire season and you can see that plain as day.

Either there is a broad change in this organization, I mean the entire coaching staff including Wade gets fired, or I am done with them. We are a laughing stock right now and its like watching drunk monkeys ****ing a football.
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Its sad to say the lasting image I will have of Ed Reed's time with the Texans is this:



Technically, he has done his job here. The back gets no additional yardage.

This move just shows the ineptitude of our FO. I argued hard for Quin to stay and said that it would require two guys to replace him. Someone to play the normal starting safety position and someone to play the in the box nickel type position that he played on this ridiculous defensive scheme that Wade runs. We decided to run Keo out there for the majority of the season, with some snaps from Reed mixed in. Just as he is getting back into playing shape, he gets cut? Atleast we got lucky with Swearinger so we can atleast say that we half replaced Quin.

Why do you sign a player that is injured, then cut him as soon as he starts to get healthy? Why do you spout off about how his veteran presence will be a plus but then release him as soon as he starts speaking up? He's right, the coaches are getting out coached and clearly need someone to tell them that they aren't doing what needs to be done. Too bad that came from a player and not someone higher up within the organization.

I'm done with this FO. Stupid decisions this year have done it for me. Drafting Montgomery, who had clear red flags, then cutting him before the mid-season mark? There goes that 3rd or 4th rounder, whatever it was. Cutting Chris Jones, who is then picked up and cut by one of only 4 teams that are worse than us, then promptly picked up by a winning organization. That goes to show that we are closer to the Bucs than we are the Pats. There goes that 6th rounder. Not placing an importance on Quin, who a blind person could see was hugely important in this ridiculous all or nothing man scheme that we trot out every week? Allowing this sorry excuse for a kicker to continue putting together one of the worst kicking performances I have ever seen in a season? Keeping Matt Schaub as a starter when it was clear that he couldn't stop throwing it to the defense or throw it 40 yards. Thinking McCain could ever be a serviceable nickel when he was getting manhandled 2 seasons ago. Not upgrading our special teams with a coach that actually had a track record of success. Getting rid of a good kick returner so we could give the job to ... Martin?? Going into the season with Newton, a ****ty 7th rounder, and an injured rookie at right tackle? Not upgrading inside linebacker when we saw the importance of that last season?

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"They aren't leaders ..." you gotta be kidding.

"They don't hold any weight on the HC or the owner" ... ??? What does that mean? Not sure what you are getting at there.

So ... the new guy that fails to disclose a serious injury, misses all of training camp, calls out the coaches in the media after getting demoted is a leader ... but

JJ Watt, Andre Johnson, Brain Cushing and Duane Brown are not ....
Its the system man... gotta know and understand the system. ..
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C'mon DB. The guy was completely stinking it up on the field. You know that. We all know that. So, don't you think he should be the one to talk about criticizing anyone, except himself?

If you're playing bad enough to get benched, discretion would follow to keep your mouth shut. Not really a hard concept to grasp.
We all know this franchise circles the wagons during hard times. So yeah, be a cowboy, not an indian shooting arrows.

Ed Reed might have played this team like a fiddle in the off-season to the tune of million$...and you know what? He may have just played them again to get the hell out of here. He knows how this franchise operates. Push the magic eject button and wipe your hands of it.

Hopefully, McNair chaulks it up to a learning experience. Signing a gimpy HoF on name only for his leadership skills to teach mental toughness is not a good use of your money.

For me as a fan, I've learned to never be optimistic about signing a gimpy HoF on name only for his leadership skills to teach mental toughness.

They certainly did not cut him for stinking it up on the field. We know this for a fact because Newton and Bullock still get trotted out there to get a pay check. And as long as these guys stay in the wagon train, it's all good.
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Maybe, just maybe Bob saw how well Peyton Manning looked during warm-ups, that he could also land in a gold mine by picking "another" old man for his team.

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So the real question is not whether or not he should be cut, but rather why he was cut then. Hopefully it was because as a player Reed sucks and that means Bullocks, Marciano, Newton, Schaub, McCain, OC, and Kubiak. If it was because he spoke out, well that sends a clear message to players with character that we value stupidity and deceit over performance and winning.
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I think we need a new team doctor.

I don't think Reed would have passed CnD's muster.


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So the real question is not whether or not he should be cut, but rather why he was cut then. Hopefully it was because as a player Reed sucks and that means Bullocks, Marciano, Newton, Schaub, McCain, OC, and Kubiak. If it was because he spoke out, well that sends a clear message to players with character that we value stupidity and deceit over performance and winning.
That is oversimplification and poor logic:

Other factors like:

1. ability to find a suitable replacement
2. Salary cap ramifications
3. intangibles that we aren't fully privy to

** Antonio Smith has been outspoken in the past. He has played out a five year contract. Paying a guy $5 million, having him perform very poorly, and also being a public relation headache and not buying into the team's philosophy likely all worked together... If he was playing well, he'd still be on the team. We can be confident of that.
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A guy speaks his mind, has a voice of his own, lets his opinion be known and what do we do?

We cut and release him. 3 guys, two young talented players smoke weed (cigars whatever) and we cut them straight out.

This Zero Tolerance Draconian style Philosophy HAS. GOT. TO. STOP.
Really? They didn't cut anyone contributing to the team, at all... I don't see any zero tolerance philosophy from that...

As a Cowboy fan in the Jimmy Johnson era- Jimmy gave a lot of rope to quality players (which has been well documented). However, when a mediocre player or non-essential player screwed up, he dumped him immediately.

The Texans clearly have a different talent acquisition policy than that Cowboy team did (prioritizing character more highly). However, I don't see any sign that they are less tolerant or more reactionary to players on the team. Maybe his comments were an excuse to cut dead weight... But, dead weight is dead weight. They tolerated Dunta Robinson until he was utterly worthless. They have handled Antonio Smith throughout the five years of his contract. Pollard was vocal as well and the Texans didn't cut him during a season and only let him go after his atrocious on field performance throughout 2010.
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