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We'll see if Schaub was afraid, or coached. It's been awhile, but Schaub has tossed it up for the big guy a time or two in the past. The last 'skins game comes to mind.
That was 3 yrs ago!!
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When thinking about the demise of Carr, I keep thinking of the play on Thanksgiving where he throws the ball in the dirt, when there was no defender around him for miles.

The receivers seem to love playing for Schaub, because he makes plays FOR THE RECEIVERS by fighting to BUY MORE TIME for them. Carr never could make plays for the receivers by scrambling or "throwing the receivers open" deep.

Could've swore we had this conversation already.
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Could've swore we had this conversation already.
Schaub is better than Carr but worse than a lot of other better qb's.
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Schaub is better than Carr but worse than a lot of other better qb's.
He didn't start off that way but he certainly has been molded into a bad form due to reliance on his playmakers making something out of nothing for him.
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Andre Johnson has 5 tds in the last two games. His career number for tds is 59. So about 10% of his career tds have come in the last two games.



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Here is what Big Chief Pad told me:

Throw um ball to AJ in End Zone, make touchdown, dance.
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Andre Johnson has 5 tds in the last two games. His career number for tds is 59. So about 10% of his career tds have come in the last two games.



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Keenum makes plays with his feet.

Schaub did not make plays with his feet.

Carr made plays FOR DWIGHT FREENEY with his feet.
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Andre Johnson has 5 tds in the last two games. His career number for tds is 59. So about 10% of his career tds have come in the last two games.



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Amazing, ain't it? Who woulda thought if you just throw the ball to your Hall-of-Fame worthy wide-out in the end-zone he will actually catch it!
Hey, hey now....that Andre fella, he is a good kid. Just remember, that was me, all me, that wanted that future HOFer. I did some good here, so maybe I should come back and do some more, right?

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Keenum makes plays with his feet.

Schaub did not make plays with his feet.

Carr made plays FOR DWIGHT FREENEY with his feet.
I wonder about you guys sometimes....Schaub isn't the most mobile, but he has made his share of plays where he's extended plays with his feet. the SD game this year, Schaub was running for his life nearly the entire game & making plays with his feet...We don't win it without him doing that b/c they were all over us that first half.
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I have to wonder if Jerry Rice would have been JERRY RICE G.O.A.T. if he didn't have two HoF QBs throwing the ball to him for the majority of his career.

Sure, the dude would have been elite on any team. But take that talent and put it on a team with Joe Montana and Steve Young, and it takes it out of this world.

Think if AJ had Manning or Brady throwing the ball to him for the past 10 years. How many Super Bowl rings and mentions of first ballot HoF would he have now?

He's that kind of special talent. Unfortunately, he was the only special talent this franchise had for too many years of his career.
Jerry Rice still had a great season or two when he went over to the Raiders and helped a guy who had never been an elite QB in his career to get an MVP award in Gannon. Rice would have put up huge numbers no matter where he was. He was the ultimate professional for his era and didn't need all of the extra physical attributes that some guys have to dominate over everyone else. He used his skill and his intelligence. That's what made Rice so freaking great. Sure, his numbers wouldn't have been quite as good with certain QB's but we could say that about all types of situations. Rice didn't just put up great numbers in his those situations. He put up worldly numbers in those situations. The record for TD's in a season that Moss just broke a few years ago was done by Rice in like 12 games or something like that. There still hasn't been a receiver that has touched Jerry Rice yet. The closest from a domination standpoint I'd say would be Calvin Johnson. He is starting to do some worldly types of things as well now.
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Jerry Rice still had a great season or two when he went over to the Raiders and helped a guy who had never been an elite QB in his career to get an MVP award in Gannon. Rice would have put up huge numbers no matter where he was. He was the ultimate professional for his era and didn't need all of the extra physical attributes that some guys have to dominate over everyone else. He used his skill and his intelligence. That's what made Rice so freaking great. Sure, his numbers wouldn't have been quite as good with certain QB's but we could say that about all types of situations. Rice didn't just put up great numbers in his those situations. He put up worldly numbers in those situations. The record for TD's in a season that Moss just broke a few years ago was done by Rice in like 12 games or something like that. There still hasn't been a receiver that has touched Jerry Rice yet. The closest from a domination standpoint I'd say would be Calvin Johnson. He is starting to do some worldly types of things as well now.
Yeah, you have to flip that analogy around...We got a chance to see what Jerry would do with a qb not named Montana on 2 separate occasions..both resulted in SB appearances. It's fair to wonder how Montana would be considered if he didn't have Jerry though....highly doubt Montana is revered as the GOAT qb without Jerry.
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Sure, his numbers wouldn't have been quite as good with certain QB's but we could say that about all types of situations.
Sure although not all situations are as tied as QB & WR. Considering the circumstances is common sense not a detraction.

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It was 12 games.

Something they have in common? - both set the TD record with a Hall of Fame QB in an All Pro year.

Rice led the league in TDs 6 times, all with HoF QBs, 4 in All Pro seasons.
Moss led the league in TDs 5 times, 2 with a HoF QB in All Pro seasons, all with a QB having a pro bowl season.

It takes nothing away from them to note they were in great positions to maximize their potential. AJ has not. The best AJ has had is a QB who there was sometimes a discussion about whether he was top 10.
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Yeah, you have to flip that analogy around...We got a chance to see what Jerry would do with a qb not named Montana on 2 separate occasions..both resulted in SB appearances. It's fair to wonder how Montana would be considered if he didn't have Jerry though....highly doubt Montana is revered as the GOAT qb without Jerry.
Uhh ... Montana won two Super Bowls before Rice ever came along. He also made three All Pro teams. I think he did OK without Rice. It's fair to wonder what Montana might have been without Walsh, but Montana did it without Rice. And Rich Gannon started his career revival 2 full seasons before Rice came along. He posted great numbers in Oakland well before Rice came along. Rice never played without a QB that wasn't at the top of his game until the final two years of his career.

Great players will play great, but when you get a few of them together, they can elevate each other. AJ has yet to play with a great QB.
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Uhh ... Montana won two Super Bowls before Rice ever came along. He also made three All Pro teams. I think he did OK without Rice. It's fair to wonder what Montana might have been without Walsh, but Montana did it without Rice. And Rich Gannon started his career revival 2 full seasons before Rice came along. He posted great numbers in Oakland well before Rice came along. Rice never played without a QB that wasn't at the top of his game until the final two years of his career.

Great players will play great, but when you get a few of them together, they can elevate each other. AJ has yet to play with a great QB.

Right, but until Jerry came along, he'd never been 1st team all pro. There's a reason Jerry is the undisputed GOAT at his position & there's a reason why cases can be made for several other guys as being better than Montana. Jerry was consistently great for like 17 years & did it with the most variability. 3 different coaches, 3 different qb's pretty much the same results across the board. Never even came close to getting benched for poor play...unlike Montana.

Gannon began posting good numbers........ right about the time Gruden came in...but it wasn't until Rice got there that he got to MVP level...It's also not a coincidence that that was Gannon's best season as a pro. And remember we're talking about a guy well on the backside of his career...Rice was like 40 when he came to the raiders and was still a stud.

Im not saying that Montana wouldn't have still had a great career without Rice, but the case for him as the GOAT begins & ends with SB's. And a large part of the reason he's even in the discussion as the goat qb is b/c of the 2 SB's he won with Rice later in his career.
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Right, but until Jerry came along, he'd never been 1st team all pro. There's a reason Jerry is the undisputed GOAT at his position & there's a reason why cases can be made for several other guys as being better than Montana. Jerry was consistently great for like 17 years & did it with the most variability. 3 different coaches, 3 different qb's pretty much the same results across the board. Never even came close to getting benched for poor play...unlike Montana.

Gannon began posting good numbers........ right about the time Gruden came in...but it wasn't until Rice got there that he got to MVP level...It's also not a coincidence that that was Gannon's best season as a pro. And remember we're talking about a guy well on the backside of his career...Rice was like 40 when he came to the raiders and was still a stud.

Im not saying that Montana wouldn't have still had a great career without Rice, but the case for him as the GOAT begins & ends with SB's. And a large part of the reason he's even in the discussion as the goat qb is b/c of the 2 SB's he won with Rice later in his career.
/boggle

Montana won TWO Super Bowls without Jerry Rice. Are there any two-time Super Bowl QBs that aren't in the HoF? And he wasn't first team? LOL

OK, we're done here. I think Jerry Rice is clearly one of thegreatest five players to ever play the game, but you sound like you're bending over backward to play down Montana's greatness.

And I don't even like the 49ers.
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Are there any two-time Super Bowl QBs that aren't in the HoF? And he wasn't first team? LOL
Eli Manning may become the first. While I think he will eventually get into the pro football hall of fame, I don't see it happening for a long while after he retires. Certainly not on the first ballot.
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Man, looking back I am in awe of AJ's last two games.

Those two TD catches on Patrick Peterson were ridiculous...





And that half against KC was siiiiiick.

14 receptions for 266 yards and 5 TDs.



The last time AJ had 5 or 4 TDs in 2 weeks was never!
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