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Old 10-30-2013   #2121
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as others have stated, i believe kubiak's job is tied to keenum. if keenum does well, mcnair will almost have to keep kubiak to see how far we can take it, which i believe is the right call. if keenum flops, kubiak may be out with him ... which i cant argue with considering our QB play so far this year. if keenum hints at greatness though, you cant take the system away from him - keenum was built for this walsh-zone blocking-WCO.

my opinion on kubiak is well known, i'm a supporter. my feelings towards wade are exactly the same. these are the two men who i believe will lead us to multiple superbowls. what they're missing is a more heavy oversight regarding assistant coaching. they both draft well (usually), have great schemes, are among the best of teachers, and get complete effort from the players. what they lack is a higher up to make the ugly calls, and an assistant to challenge the established setting.

jay gruden's been mentioned ... i would absolutely love him as a coordinator. heck, i'd bring john back as a coordinator. the problem on offense isnt kubiak, it's that it seems to ONLY be kubiak - the same situation that got shanahan fired from denver. you cant have one man calling every shot, it cant work. wade similarly seems to have too much 'control'. i started to use the word freedom, but that would be the ideal - a more free approach within the system instead of a confined setting. our schemes most definitely can be described as boxes. we dont need someone thinking outside of it, we just need a couple guys who are willing to round it out and poke the edges a little bit.

i think keenum is about to remind us why we hired kubiak though. kubiak and wade seem to have caught the dom capers disease - we're struggling, dumb it down and play cautious and keep it close. this is i believe why wade's defenses have a tendency to regress, he perfects and cleans instead of finding new edges. keenum is a license to "let 'er rip" that we havent seen in quite a while.

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Sorry, but, I call nonsense on all of this.

It's Kubiak's job to evaluate assistants. What we have seen is Kubiak toss a zillion defensive and offensive coordinators under the bus to save his own hide. Yet, the Special Teams coach remains (and, is given an assistant!!)

Also, 8 years is more than enough time to judge a head coach.

Multiple Super Bowls? We haven't even gotten to ONE AFC Championship game! After. 8. Years.

Even "if" Keenum is the answer, it's time to let another head coach take over this team.
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What we have seen is Kubiak toss a zillion defensive and offensive coordinators under the bus to save his own hide.
Name one OC that Kubiak's thrown under the bus to save his own hide.
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Name one OC that Kubiak's thrown under the bus to save his own hide.
One step further - name one DC that didn't deserve his place under the bus.
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One step further - name one DC that didn't deserve his place under the bus.


Exactly.
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I pulled this quote out of the Kubiak Collapses thread to continue the discussion without derailing that thread.

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Are you kidding me? He never even pulled Schaub. Schaub was forced to go out due to injury. His stubborness is what put the team in the hole and even had Yates out there for a wasted game against the Rams where the team gave up on him. His stubbornness is why Keenum was 3rd string instead of first string in the first place. Keenum only got in there by accident. Lol! A guy having a collapse doesn't change history and what has taken place this season or last season.
This is about the way I see it. Kubiak deserves credit for having/keeping Keenum on the roster. That is offset by his inability to either:
A) identify that Schaub was not even close to being the best QB on the roster this year.
B) take the appropriate action to put the best QB on the field of he did know Schaub wasn't his best option.

I don't know what makes Kubiak this "quarterback guru". If it his ability to teach a QB his offense and get the most out f him, I might be able to see it. I don't think his guru-ness extends to identifying talent though.
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Schaub was benched during the Rams game.

Schaub has since not started despite being ready to do so.

Kubiak did promote Keenum to starter over Yates. Whether Keenum was listed as 3rd is unimportant since he got the start.

Not sure of the need some have to revise that.
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Schaub was benched during the Rams game.

Schaub has since not started despite being ready to do so.

Kubiak did promote Keenum to starter over Yates. Whether Keenum was listed as 3rd is unimportant since he got the start.

Not sure of the need some have to revise that.
I don't think I'm revising history. I think that Kubiak had enough evidence that Schaub wasn't getting the job done well before the Rams game. I understand it is very dangerous to juggle quarterbacks during a season, but it was clear Schaub did not have NFL velocity on his throws anymore. I don't know if Kubiak would have made the change without the additional impetuous of Schaub's ankle injury, but I think that did help him to decide it was time for a change when he finally pulled the trigger. The problem is the Texans were quickly dropping out of contention waiting for the change to be made.

For the record, I've never been a Schaub basher. I thought he was a good to very good quarterback for this system most of his years here. At some point everyone drops below the level required to play in the NFL though, and Schaub has fallen below that threshold except for occasional flashes.
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Let me start by saying I hope Kubiak will be all right. He isn't a great coach but winning isn't everything. I'd rather he is healthy than for the Texans to win the Super Bowl.

That said, we must face the reality of perhaps needing a new head coach. If so, never mind interim coaches, whom do you want as permanent HC? There are too many possibilities to put them all in a poll, so I'm grouping them in categories. Voters can get specific in posts if they want to.

My choice just might be Alabama's Saban.
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What was it? 8 years and 61-58 (59 now).

I wish him well and everything. It just didn't work out. Time for something new.
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I would like to see Kubiak back for one more year with a full season with Keenum, if he is up to it. By just looking at the last game in the first half, how often did we open it up like that with Schaub? I also think Rick Smith should be close to gone with his moves that led to Briesel, Winston, Quin walking, and the Reed signing.
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I would like to see Kubiak back for one more year with a full season with Keenum, if he is up to it.
I can't see McNair firing Kubiak after the illness. But, I don't want to see Kubiak given an extension. The problem with that is the assistants don't have security and it would be difficult attracting a top assistant if their was an opening (hint, Joe Marciano). I also don't think the HC job is as attractive to a prospective head coach as the Texans were coming off the 2010 season. I'm resigned to Kubiak returning in 2014.
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Schaub was benched during the Rams game.

Schaub has since not started despite being ready to do so.
Schaub was benched in the Niners game, then knocked out of the Rams game the following week.

I'm not putting all of the Texans early offensive woes on Matt Schaub. The RT position was a mess and Duane Brown was not performing at an All Pro level. But Matt's immobility, lack of velocity, and poor decision making made it impossible for this team to win. That they haven't won in 2 games with Schaub on the bench indicates that Kubiak was right. It's not just the QB, the Texans have a lot of problems. The good news is that they are in the process of solving one of them.
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well we might as well get our wish list going.

head coach?
oc?
dc?
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gm?


who are some good candidates?
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Lovie Smith CURRENTLY: Unemployed (fired by Chicago after 2012).

ACHIEVEMENTS
Led Bears to Super Bowl XLI.

81-63 record with Bears in nine seasons (four seasons Top 5 in defense).

Only finished worse than 7-9 once in nine seasons.

Smith is choosing to go off the grid for 2013, rather than be a coordinator somewhere. He knows his phone will be ringing around New Year's with at least a couple head coaching offers. May as well enjoy a year's vacation.



Ray Horton CURRENTLY: Defensive coordinator, Cleveland (hired 2013).

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Coached a Cardinals' defense that had 80 sacks and 32 interceptions over past two seasons.

Seventeen years of coaching secondaries, including three Super Bowl years in Pittsburgh (and three years with least points allowed).

Horton's calls for aggression and disruption were a lone highlight of Arizona's 2012 season.

A former NFL cornerback of ten years, Horton appreciates versatility in players (blitzing secondary, linemen covering the flat, etc), and has mentored some of the best.

These 2 need no introduction around these boards

Bill Cower

John Gruden


I didn't list college coaches but there are some potential good ones out there. It is always a crap shoot when you hire one though that has never coached in the nfl.
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My number 1 GM prospect would be:

Eric DeCosta Ozzie Newsome's long time protege
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HC Mike Zimmer.

He's blunt, screamer, people always ask for accountability and he seems to be that guy. He also has a history of taking players that have had issues off the field and turn them around which tells me he's a good teacher. I wouldn't be upset about it.

No head coaching experience, but his defenses are well known.
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HC Mike Zimmer.

He's blunt, screamer, people always ask for accountability and he seems to be that guy. He also has a history of taking players that have had issues off the field and turn them around which tells me he's a good teacher. I wouldn't be upset about it.

No head coaching experience, but his defenses are well known.
yup zimmer is on my short list. im intrigued by hue jackson and david shaw too. i will get a list together later today
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HC Mike Zimmer.

He's blunt, screamer, people always ask for accountability and he seems to be that guy. He also has a history of taking players that have had issues off the field and turn them around which tells me he's a good teacher. I wouldn't be upset about it.

No head coaching experience, but his defenses are well known.
This guy. Zimmer is the man. I think he could take our defense to the next level as well.
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HC Mike Zimmer.

He's blunt, screamer, people always ask for accountability and he seems to be that guy. He also has a history of taking players that have had issues off the field and turn them around which tells me he's a good teacher. I wouldn't be upset about it.

No head coaching experience, but his defenses are well known.
So, you want a coordinator with no head coaching experience. Haven't we gone down that road before?
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My number 1 GM prospect would be:

Eric DeCosta Ozzie Newsome's long time protege
BINGO! Has been brought up in the Ravens organization for last 17 years and under Ozzie's wing.

Head Coaches

1. David Shaw - Father was an NFL coach, David coached in the NFL for 9 years. His Stanford teams are well prepared in all phases of the game.

2. Jimbo Fisher - Has an heir of Jimmy Johnson about him. His teams also are very well prepared in all phases of the game.

Others - Darrell Barrell, Dan Quinn, Sean McDermott

Zimmer Red Flag, has been on numerous interviews to be a HC without success. He must not interview well.

Gruden Red Flag: Players excoriated him after he was fired. Liar, Dishonest

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