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Old 11-10-2013   #221
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Why do you say it was fatigue "presumably"? Anything to support that?
During Pitt's first TD drive by the time Pitt reached the red zone you could clearly tell Nix was gassed, he was having difficulty getting in to his stance. In the second half Nix was looking fatigued when Pitt was having an extended drive. Nix was on the sideline for the next series. I have no dog in this hunt, just being objective and telling what I saw. I learned long time ago not to fall in love with players.
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After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
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I'm starting to think that mosley from 'Bama should be a go to guy in the draft. ILB is by far the weakest position in this team and the guy is a machine.
depending on where we draft either we should move back or trade into the 1st round again to grab him
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After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
Agreed, I really didn't think the OL was this bad.

At the rate this team is losing they are going to be in Matthews territory. A very good territory to be in.
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I'm starting to think that mosley from 'Bama should be a go to guy in the draft. ILB is by far the weakest position in this team and the guy is a machine.
depending on where we draft either we should move back or trade into the 1st round again to grab him
I haven't seen a mock that has Mosley outside of the top 15 .... You'd have to be real careful not to move back too far and miss him if he's your guy.

I wouldn't be against doing so if you could get enough compensation from trading down a few spots to move back into the first round and get one of the elite tackle prospects.

I prefer Florida St OT Cameron Erving .... but many mocks have him going top 15 also.

I don't think you can get Mosley & an elite tackle prospect , its pick your poison & the talent at the tackle spots really drops off after that first ~4-5 guys.
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The Texans are currently slotted at the #4 pick. Possiblilites are endless (besides the #1 QB taken by the Jags).
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Jake Matthews please, it would be nice to have another competent Aggie on this team other than Shane Lechler
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After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
yep! I am on the Jake Matthews bandwagon. Give me two stud OT's.
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Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
You do realize if the Texans keep losing, now seven losses in a row, that they will be in position to draft Clowney with a top two pick? Losing out isn't entirely impossible for a 2-14 record. If that happens it's just a matter of whether or not Tampa Bay lost a couple games separating us from the first overall pick or the second overall pick. Tampa Bay nearly beat the Seahawks last week. I think they will beat the Dolphins tomorrow night for their first win of the season.
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Quessenberry should be given a shot at RT.
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You do realize if the Texans keep losing, now seven losses in a row, that they will be in position to draft Clowney with a top two pick? Losing out isn't entirely impossible for a 2-14 record. If that happens it's just a matter of whether or not Tampa Bay lost a couple games separating us from the first overall pick or the second overall pick. Tampa Bay nearly beat the Seahawks last week. I think they will beat the Dolphins tomorrow night for their first win of the season.
Clowney? No thanks. Dont need a guy to shut down to protect his own interests at the detriment of the team.
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Quessenberry should be given a shot at RT.
That depends on what the new coaching staff is looking for in their olinemen.
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If the Texans finish in the top 4 and Cleveland comes calling with an RG3 type deal I jump all over that.
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Quessenberry should be given a shot at RT.
I would be for that,

It's much easier to find a G than it is an OT.

With that said if Matthews is there when the Texans pick Rick should run the card up to God'ell.

Does everybody realize how close this yrs Texans are to being 0-9?
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Gotta get a pass rusher.
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If the Texans finish in the top 4 and Cleveland comes calling with an RG3 type deal I jump all over that.
Same; I'd be down for a Clowney or Hundley/Manziel-type pick otherwise but trading down in that position could mean a lot.
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I honestly wanted to use the first pick on a left guard but the way this team is going, short of us trading down for multiple picks, I can't see us not using it on a QB.

The combine is some ways away however but our main positions of concern seem to be QB, LG (because unlike Right Tackle, we don't really have a true potential successor for that position) ILB (because as bad as Brooks Reed is I don't see the team using another draft pick higher then another 4th rounder on the position, meanwhile who knows what will happen to Cushing), CB (even if we retain Jonathan Joseph we need a slot corner back if Harris isn't the answer) and maybe defensive line depending on if we go after a true NT to play the center of the D line or if we get a DE to replace a potentially departing Antonio Smith.

All that being said, time will tell and regardless of the administration moves, I hope we retain the players on our team that have been shown to be proven talents and have them be given chances at competing.
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not sure anymore what the disconnect is?

Home run 1st rd. picks for Texans showed up today in the form of Andre Johnson & JJ Watt but who else? Cushing is out for the second straight season, Kareem has a rib injury, Merciuls was close but no cigar in the sack category. Hopkins is taking baby steps as he continues to flash plus hands. Together there is just not enough production from too few players, depth is & has been an issue since expansion. Drop off between 1st & 2nd string now seems like the Grand Canyon. Go down the roster & you might find more back-up's than actual starters playing. Makes me think trading down on a continuous basis & stock piling future picks a solid strategy to build & maintain better stability over time. Otherwise no reason why Texans should take a dive every 3-4 years.

If Texans can't trade down & have to make a pick right now, in the top 5, I'd look hard & long @ Texas A&M Jake Matthews & Johnny Manziel.
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I realize the trade value charts aren't an exact science, they're just a guide, but they're the best thing we've got for now. The #4 pick is worth 1800 pts.. If we traded down to #21 worth 800 pts., thus a difference of 1000 pts., we should be able to pick up a high 2nd, high 3rd, and high 4th. That hypothetical high 4th could also be a 3rd in 2015. At pick #21 we could still get a very good CB, DT, or OT and then with two high 2nd round picks we could fill ILB and a good QB prospect (Murray or McCarron). With two high 3rd round picks we could get a good Safety, and also fill one of the other unfilled needs at ILB, OLB, or some quality O-line depth etc... If we draft right that gives us 5 picks in the top 70 players. That's the possibility of filling 5 holes in one draft with quality talent, something few teams are able to accomplish. It could also put us back into the playoffs possibly within a year. All of this hinges on 1 decision to make, is Keenum the future at QB or do we use that high 1st round pick on a POSSIBLE franchise QB like Mariota or Hundley?

Glad I'm not the GM that has to make that decision. If it were me making that decision I'd bet on Keenum being the future at QB and then hedge my bet with a QB pick in the upper 2nd round.
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I realize the trade value charts aren't an exact science, they're just a guide, but they're the best thing we've got for now. The #4 pick is worth 1800 pts.. If we traded down to #21 worth 800 pts., thus a difference of 1000 pts., we should be able to pick up a high 2nd, high 3rd, and high 4th. That hypothetical high 4th could also be a 3rd in 2015. At pick #21 we could still get a very good CB, DT, or OT and then with two high 2nd round picks we could fill ILB and a good QB prospect (Murray or McCarron). With two high 3rd round picks we could get a good Safety, and also fill one of the other unfilled needs at ILB, OLB, or some quality O-line depth etc... If we draft right that gives us 5 picks in the top 70 players. That's the possibility of filling 5 holes in one draft with quality talent, something few teams are able to accomplish. It could also put us back into the playoffs possibly within a year. All of this hinges on 1 decision to make, is Keenum the future at QB or do we use that high 1st round pick on a POSSIBLE franchise QB like Mariota or Hundley?

Glad I'm not the GM that has to make that decision. If it were me making that decision I'd bet on Keenum being the future at QB and then hedge my bet with a QB pick in the upper 2nd round.
I want a RG3 type trade from a QB needy team like the Browns. Give me both of their 1st this yr and a 3rd plus a 2015 1st. Since the Texans only seem to hit on 1st rd picks.

I dont want Rick/Gary/Wade making those picks.
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