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Old 11-10-2013   #161
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There was a Northwestern study published in the March issue of the Journal of American Sports Medicine that examined records of NFL OL and DL, who had herniated disc surgery during their active careers over a 2 decade period (~1990-2010) that were publicly available.......in order to determine their career outcomes, They found a total of 52. Not only did 80 percent of these particular players return to the game, they also played an average of 33 games during three years after the surgery. About half of them attained starter position. When you look at these surprisingly encouraging number, you must keep in mind that the 52 number was for those known to the public through the media and the stats through the NFL. The specific surgery and pathology in most cases were not available to assess "minor" vs "major"........and, we all know that public information released by the teams many times is of dubious accuracy. As we also know, NFL players have surgeries that are never made public. Not only that, but you need to ask yourself how many NFL players have had back issues, retired and THEN had surgeries, instead of opting to try continuting their careers through surgery. These latter players would not be counted in these stats and would likely add significantly to the "poor outcome" category.

There are no other studies I am aware of NFL players (including RBs) undergoing back surgeries. With this said, yes, OL and DL put great amounts of strain on their backs, but they do not typically sustain this strain under high impact situations from not only head-on, but also from the sides as is the case with RBs. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon that after one level of disc problems are demonstrated, other levels being affected may be not far behind. As disc problems may commonly be the result of compensation for other injuries, even if this episode of Foster's disc problem is surgically corrected, with his recurrent history of significant lower extremity injuries (and these are likely to continue to recur) , I would be very guarded about his long-term prognosis as a RB.
Every single person I know that has had back surgery either had multiple surgeries or were going to have a second procedure done in the near future. I have no faith in Foster returning to form and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he calls it a career. He's got other things he's into and would certainly be welcomed into the NFL commentator world. He's very articulate and quirky in a funny way.
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Hadn't been putting in my regular 30 hour days on the forum.... preoccupied with other crap. Just now finding out about Arian...... arrrggh.



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Hadn't been putting in my regular 30 hour days on the forum.... preoccupied with other crap. Just now finding out about Arian...... arrrggh.



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As for the Foster news, ugh. Yuck. Depressing

Best wishes to him for a speedy recovery, whether he never plays another down of football or not.
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This game is why you need Arian. Tate cannot make the same plays........
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This game is why you need Arian. Tate cannot make the same plays........
Yeah you have to wonder how this offense would do these last 3 games with Foster. We can't seem to move the ball in the 2nd half because our run game shuts down.
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Arian Foster's contract holds dead cap $:

2014 - 7.5mil
2015 - 5mil

I think he's cut after the season. No sense in holding onto the contract when it can come off the books in 2015 (coincidentally when we have to resign Watt to a MEGA contract). A 28 y/o rb coming off a ton of usage + back surgery does not bode well for his look.

Texans need to get our cap in order, and I think we can be competitive next season while shedding a few of our big $ contracts, such as:

Arian Foster
Matt Schaub (3.5mil for '14, 7mil for '15)
Owen Daniels
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Danieal Manning

Hell, I would include Jonathan Joseph if I knew what his contract looked like, but it's been restructured so many damn times (thanks rick) it's a bit hazy.
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it's a serious injury. think about it, you're going to repair your back and then rehab so you can get hit again. depending on how he heals after surgery, I wouldn't count on foster being the same longterm when he returns, especially with the hamstring issues too.

it may be that his hamstring issues was a result (hamstrings are pulled from the back) from some major back issues.
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This game is why you need Arian. Tate cannot make the same plays........
He's only playing with cracked ribs... No problem yo!
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I'm starting to think that CnD works for the Texans or knows someone on the Texans medical staff.

His assessment of our players injuries are incredibly ACCURATE!
Wouldnt that pretty much guarantee he has no relationship at all with Texan medical personnel?
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Get well soon AF
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Foster underwent his back surgery on Thursday.
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For those interested, Arian's back on Twitter again (whoopee!), and tweeted this out earlier this morning:


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And for those wondering, I've been medically cleared by my doctor.
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I'll still wait on the "anti-awesome" results.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...as-it-sounded/

Foster claims it was not 'major'
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It's not major because season ending bak problems are minor? This guy has gone from colorful and entertaining to annoying real fast in my book.
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Awesome! Can't wait to see him rip off another 1,400-1,500 yard season next year. Looking forward to it!
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That's what I'm saying. The guy has been a touch down and yardage machine besides last season due to injury, but when he was in there he was effective. I don't see how so many have given up on him for half a bad season. I havent.
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That's what I'm saying. The guy has been a touch down and yardage machine besides last season due to injury, but when he was in there he was effective. I don't see how so many have given up on him for half a bad season. I havent.
With Arian saying it wasn't major, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they pulled the plug on him after 6 straight losses, like they pulled the plug on Matt... the fix was in & we were going to get that #1 pick.
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There was a Northwestern study published in the March issue of the Journal of American Sports Medicine that examined records of NFL OL and DL, who had herniated disc surgery during their active careers over a 2 decade period (~1990-2010) that were publicly available.......in order to determine their career outcomes, They found a total of 52. Not only did 80 percent of these particular players return to the game, they also played an average of 33 games during three years after the surgery. About half of them attained starter position. When you look at these surprisingly encouraging number, you must keep in mind that the 52 number was for those known to the public through the media and the stats through the NFL. The specific surgery and pathology in most cases were not available to assess "minor" vs "major"........and, we all know that public information released by the teams many times is of dubious accuracy. As we also know, NFL players have surgeries that are never made public. Not only that, but you need to ask yourself how many NFL players have had back issues, retired and THEN had surgeries, instead of opting to try continuting their careers through surgery. These latter players would not be counted in these stats and would likely add significantly to the "poor outcome" category.

There are no other studies I am aware of NFL players (including RBs) undergoing back surgeries. With this said, yes, OL and DL put great amounts of strain on their backs, but they do not typically sustain this strain under high impact situations from not only head-on, but also from the sides as is the case with RBs. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon that after one level of disc problems are demonstrated, other levels being affected may be not far behind. As disc problems may commonly be the result of compensation for other injuries, even if this episode of Foster's disc problem is surgically corrected, with his recurrent history of significant lower extremity injuries (and these are likely to continue to recur) , I would be very guarded about his long-term prognosis as a RB.
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