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Old 11-08-2013   #261
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If he is truly Incognito ... how do we know it was really him?
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Recently suspended Miami Dolphins guard Richie Incognito does not have the support from NFL peers that he has received from teammates.

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...in an unscientific survey conducted by team reporters for ESPN.com's NFL Nation over two days this week, Incognito does not have the same level of support from some of his peers. Three players participated from each team surveyed, with 72 players in all asked three questions. The players taking part were granted anonymity.
Which player would you rather have as a teammate?
(21%)Incognito 15
(47%)Martin 34
(32%)Neither 23

Have you been the victim of hazing in the NFL?
(43%)True 31
(57%)False 41

Have you provided money as a result of being hazed? If true, what's the most you have given?*
(39%)True 28
(61%)False 44
*Amounts ranged from $40 to $18,000
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The thing that I love most about this entire story is that no matter whether you think Martin handled this well or poorly -- no matter whether all this was a joke that got blown out of proportion or really was serious -- no matter what side you're on -- we can all take a lot of happiness from the fact that it's a guy like Incognito who is going down. Couldn't have happened to a worse human being

Even if it was all an elaborate fake -- I really think Incognito is done, and I know a certain #94 who has gotta be whistling karma right about now
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The thing that I love most about this entire story is that no matter whether you think Martin handled this well or poorly -- no matter whether all this was a joke that got blown out of proportion or really was serious -- no matter what side you're on -- we can all take a lot of happiness from the fact that it's a guy like Incognito who is going down. Couldn't have happened to a worse human being

Even if it was all an elaborate fake -- I really think Incognito is done, and I know a certain #94 who has gotta be whistling karma right about now
Man I don't know, the league has accepted players who've done worse than this doooshbag. He may serve a one year suspension and give a bs apology and someone will sign him.
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Man I don't know, the league has accepted players who've done worse than this doooshbag. He may serve a one year suspension and give a bs apology and someone will sign him.
I agree with gtexan that he is done. He's got such a history of poor behavior, I just can't think of any coach in their right mind that would welcome him to their football team. From a PR standpoint, they would immediately be personally criticized.
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I think Martin is less likely to find another team, but don't hold me to that. I haven't been keeping up with the story really.

But I say that because for the most part *******s are generally more accepted in sports than guys that are perceived to be soft.

I have no idea what the ins and outs of this soap opera are, but I wouldn't have thrown my tray down and stormed out of the facility. I really don't know how I'd handle it because I don't see myself getting picked on in that environment. But I have been 'the new guy' in a locker room and only once did someone actually try to do this. This guy named Pete. This big defensive lineman. It never came to physical confrontation, but I verbally let him know I wasn't the one he wanted to try. It ended quickly. Didn't go to any coaches or administrators.

But I realize not everyone deals with conflict the same.

I guess what I'd expect Martin to do at the minimum is be willing to stand up for yourself. You're not in a normal, everyday life situation. You're an nfl offensive linemen. Getting picked on is unacceptable. Doesn't mean you have to haul off and punch a guy because he is trying you. Hell, I don't even have a problem with going to coaches as a method to restrain yourself.

But you can't say this guy is verbally abusing me and picking on me. Unless incognito is some real live gangster that you think is actually capable if killing you, then you have to be able to deal with that in your own for the most part.

I don't know either player. But I hate bullies. I don't have any negative thoughts about Martin as a person. Not everyone is willing to deal with that kind of confrontation. And that cool.
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In his interview he stated that the things he said to Martin came from a place of love. WHAT!?!??!!?!? There is no one I love or hate enough to say I am going to slap your mother c*m in her mouth you half N****R. damn I actually laughed out loud when this clown said that with a straight face.
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Could it be that the Dolphins is such a horrid organization with Jeff Ireland at the helm that part of Martin's motivation is to GTFO of Miami.

And, I loved in Incognito's interview with his workout buddy Jay Glazer how poor victimized Richie sad he just wanted to hug Johnathan Martin.

Interesting that Billy Devaney, Incognito's former GM with the Rams, said after watching the Glazer interview that Richie was putting on a big act for the cameras.
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And, I loved in Incognito's interview with his workout buddy Jay Glazer how poor victimized Richie sad he just wanted to hug Johnathan Martin.
yeah, no doubt. I mean, who here hasn't called their best buddy and threatened to physically assault their sister and rape their mom while throwing out racial insults, and then extorted money from them? Just dudes being dudes, amirite? [/sarcasm]

After hearing Antonio Smith talk about Incognito, that interview was goofy.
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Giants legend Lawrence Taylor told the New York Daily News that Jonathan Martin should have kept his issues with Richie Incognito inside the locker roomTaylor, who spent his entire NFL career with the New York Giants from 1981 to 1993, played when the Giants kept all of their issues in-house. The Hall of Famer said that while he does not condone Incognito’s behavior in the Miami Dolphins bullying case, he would welcome Incognito back into the locker room before Martin. From the New York Daily News:“Martin wouldn’t be allowed back in my locker room,” Taylor told the Daily News. “I understand Incognito may be a bad guy, but all that stuff should have stayed in the locker room. I don’t know if I would let Incognito back in the locker room either, but he would be allowed back in my locker room before the other guy would. They are texting each other like two women. I don’t understand that.
“If you are that sensitive and weak-minded, then find another profession,” he said. “That’s the way I feel about it. This is the NFL. This is football. This is not table tennis. This is not golf. I don’t know how you bully a 350-pound player.”
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Theres one from Schaub, and Ed Reed!
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schefter said on mike and mike there was at least one other current phins player who felt similar to Martin about the phins culture/incognito although said player didnt experience all that Martin did and that at least one phins Admin also felt similarly and that it was only a matter of if these folks would have enough stones to tell the league and its investigator the truth about what they know
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schefter said on mike and mike there was at least one other current phins player who felt similar to Martin about the phins culture/incognito although said player didnt experience all that Martin did and that at least one phins Admin also felt similarly and that it was only a matter of if these folks would have enough stones to tell the league and its investigator the truth about what they know
There's a leadership vacuum on that team, and its apparent throughout this whole ordeal. Seems like a "go along to get along" mentality set in and one person with a big personality set the tone in the locker room, regardless of whether or not he was a fit person to set that tone. Coaching should have stepped up and set an example. Philbin is like a limp rag.

What a hot mess of a franchise. I know the Texans are going through their little trials and tribulations right now, with grumblings about accountability and coaching, but at least I'm confident that there are real leaders in the locker room who also happen to be good people.
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Schefter reporting of at least one other player and two other members of the Dolphins organization who have similar complaints/experienced similar feelings that Martin did regarding Incognito. Question is whether they want to go on the record publicly.
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Richie Incognito files grievance against Miami Dolphins

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