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Old 11-07-2013   #241
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In high school I hung out with lots of black guys and was free to use the "n" word as long as it ended with an "a" with all of them. So it's not like this awful word to a lot of people.
Unless you end it with an "-er," then it becomes a different word.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
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Unless you end it with an "-er," then it becomes a different word.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
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In high school I hung out with lots of black guys and was free to use the "n" word as long as it ended with an "a" with all of them. So it's not like this awful word to a lot of people.
This is why I am proposing the redskins change their name to the redskinnas. Problem solved.
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Several teammates and a few retired players who are now boring us on tv masquerading as football experts are trying to defend the bully. Circling the wagons around him.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...ine-punishment

Kinda reminds me of another group of people who defend bad apples.

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Jenna please !
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Actually, now it just sounds like a Bostonian is saying my name.

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Actually, now it just sounds like a Bostonian is saying my name.

"Jennifa, that post was wicked retahded!"
Some of this reminds me ( for whatever reason ) of Ali G interviewing Andy Rooney .
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Based on the latest statements by team-mates of how these two always hung out together, maybe this is more of a lovers quarrel than anyone being bullied. Seriously could see Incognito going Jeff Alm ...
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On Thursday night, lawyer David Cornwell issued a statement on behalf of Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin...
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Jonathan Martin’s toughness is not at issue. Jonathan has started every game with the Miami Dolphins since he was drafted in 2012. At Stanford, he was the anchor for Jim Harbaugh’s “smash mouth” brand of football and he protected Andrew Luck’s blind side.

The issue is Jonathan’s treatment by his teammates. Jonathan endured harassment that went far beyond the traditional locker room hazing. For the entire season-and-a-half that he was with the Dolphins, he attempted to befriend the same teammates who subjected him to the abuse with the hope that doing so would end the harassment. This is a textbook reaction of victims of bullying. Despite these efforts, the taunting continued. Beyond the well-publicized voice mail with its racial epithet, Jonathan endured a malicious physical attack on him by a teammate, and daily vulgar comments such as the quote at the bottom. These facts are not in dispute.

Eventually, Jonathan made a difficult choice. Despite his love for football, Jonathan left the Dolphins. Jonathan looks forward to getting back to playing football. In the meantime, he will cooperate fully with the NFL investigation.

Quote from teammate: “We are going to run train on your sister. . . . She loves me. I am going to f–k her without a condom and c– in her c—.”
Yeah, that'll make him play better football.

And then there's this not unexpected tidbit...

Police Report: Richie Incognito accused of harassing woman at 2012 charity golf outing

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The then 34-year-old volunteer told police that Incognito had been drinking, and when he was at the hole where she was working, he rubbed her privates with a golf club and knocked a pair of sunglasses off her head with it, according to the report.

“After that, he proceeded to lean up against her buttocks with his private parts as if dancing, saying ‘Let it rain! Let it rain!’” the report states. “He finally finished his inappropriate behavior by emptying bottled water in her face.”

The alleged incident occurred on May 18, 2012, at the Turnberry Resort & Club, during the annual “Fins Weekend Golf Tournament” for charity. The volunteer told Local 10, the ABC affiliate, that she can’t talk about the incident because she signed a confidentiality agreement. The Dolphins did not provide comment.
Had Incogsh!thole done this to my daughter, his piehole would have been introduced to business end of my sand wedge. I have no tolerance for bullies... and I have zero respect for men who stand around and watch a tough guy bully a girl. Spineless.
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On Thursday night, lawyer David Cornwell issued a statement on behalf of Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin...

Yeah, that'll make him play better football.

And then there's this not unexpected tidbit...

Police Report: Richie Incognito accused of harassing woman at 2012 charity golf outing

Had Incogsh!thole done this to my daughter, his piehole would have been introduced to business end of my sand wedge. I have no tolerance for bullies... and I have zero respect for men who stand around and watch a tough guy bully a girl. Spineless.

Of note a phins official apologized to the young lady for incognito's actions and this was prior to Incognito's appointment to the leadership team
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Actually, now it just sounds like a Bostonian is saying my name.

"Jennifa, that post was wicked retahded!"


You know what's the SEXIEST thing about you though? That OVERWHELMING sense of modesty!
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Apparently, the ONLY reason Martin looked like a buddy of Incognito is that he was trying to fit in.

Right now, the Dolphins players coming out in support of the very well known POS Incognito look like a bunch of punks. They circle the wagon because they damn well know this was way beyond hazing and was straight up harassment. And it makes their franchise look like crap.

Based on history, the NFL is going to come down hard on this and I have no doubt that policies will be instituted for all franchises. Sadly, the tradition of silly/friendly hazing to build camaraderie among teammates will get broad-brushed by this incident.

Which would be a shame. Some things are innocent traditions like carrying pads, shaving heads, singing college fight songs, etc. But this Incognito crap is not one of them.
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Apparently, the ONLY reason Martin looked like a buddy of Incognito is that he was trying to fit in.

Right now, the Dolphins players coming out in support of the very well known POS Incognito look like a bunch of punks. They circle the wagon because they damn well know this was way beyond hazing and was straight up harassment. And it makes their franchise look like crap.

Based on history, the NFL is going to come down hard on this and I have no doubt that policies will be instituted for all franchises. Sadly, the tradition of silly/friendly hazing to build camaraderie among teammates will get broad-brushed by this incident.

Which would be a shame. Some things are innocent traditions like carrying pads, shaving heads, singing college fight songs, etc. But this Incognito crap is not one of them.
See ... Dez Bryant was aheaad of his time .
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For Cam Cleeland, hazing incident altered his NFL career — and life

Cam Cleeland was a New Orleans Saints rookie 15 years ago when he nearly lost vision in an eye after being hit with a bag full of coins. He has strong feelings on Miami's Richie Incognito.

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It was 15 years ago in a University of Wisconsin La Crosse dormitory that housed New Orleans Saints players for training camp. Cleeland and his fellow rookies were herded at one end of a long, narrow hallway. Their veteran teammates, most of them drunk, lined either side of the hall, leaving about a one-foot gap to get through.

This was the gantlet, a well-worn Saints tradition of hazing and a rite of passage for the rookies. Each had to run through with a pillowcase over his head, allowing each veteran a free shot at him.

Thinking back on the situation still sends a shiver through Cleeland, and the emotional scars give him insight on what Miami tackle Jonathan Martin might be feeling after alleged bullying by Dolphins guard Richie Incognito (a onetime teammate of Cleeland's).

The memories of that hallway are chilling.

"Guys were just rabid," recalled Cleeland, a 6-foot-5, 270-pound tight end from the University of Washington. "And you had a couple guys in the front that would stand in a three-point stance, and you would fire off the line like he was going to knock you over.

"You tried to make it through, and they literally just beat the ever-loving crap out of you as you tried to get through. Everything you can imagine, from kicking, punching, scrapping. I remember my ankle was sore and I had missed two days of practice because I had rolled my ankle.

"Guys were like, 'He's got a bum ankle! We don't care!' And as I got to the end, I got punched in the nose, so my nose was bleeding. As I rolled my head, I got kicked in the leg and my ankle rolled. I brought my head up …"

And that's when the fateful blow came, one that not only changed Cleeland's life but turned a spotlight on the dark underbelly of professional football.

Cleeland was clubbed in the face by a sock filled with coins, coins that free-agent linebacker Andre Royal had spent all day collecting from teammates. Nobody knew what he planned to do with them, but they had donated them by the fistful.

Royal would later say he was aiming for the ribs. Instead, the shot shattered Cleeland's eye socket and nearly cost him his eye, which now provides him only with partial vision. He also suffered a badly broken nose. At first, Cleeland didn't know the severity of his injuries...
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Seven years later, when Cleeland was playing for St. Louis, the Rams drafted Incognito, who had been kicked off his college teams at Nebraska and Oregon.

"I'm not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic scumbag," Cleeland said. "When it came down to it, he had no personality, he was a locker-room cancer, and he just wanted to fight everybody all the time. It was bizarre beyond belief."
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Damn, with "friends" like that, who needs enemies, 'eh?

I'm so tired of hearing these athlete entertainers talk about "going to war" (constantly mentioned on the radio and NFLN/ESPN).

Tell that to one of the many wounded warriors (real warriors) at the VA. Go up to them and tell them how a game you get paid millions to play is WAR. Yeah, tell them about your little war as they rehab lost limbs and broken psyches from real war in some god-forsaken hellhole like Afghanistan or Iraq.

Some of these pampered athletes need perspective. Many get it, but the whole war metaphor is tired and overused. You play a freakin' game, dudes, and are well paid to be our entertainers. You are not warriors. You are players, and nothing you do on the field and locker-room can justify treating another player with such contempt and abuse.

Hell, our nation's real warriors treat actual enemies with more respect than some of this player-on-player stuff.
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“After that, he proceeded to lean up against her buttocks with his private parts as if dancing, saying ‘Let it rain! Let it rain!’” the report states. “He finally finished his inappropriate behavior by emptying bottled water in her face.”

The alleged incident occurred on May 18, 2012, at the Turnberry Resort & Club, during the annual “Fins Weekend Golf Tournament” for charity. The volunteer told Local 10, the ABC affiliate, that she can’t talk about the incident because she signed a confidentiality agreement. The Dolphins did not provide comment.
She should have manned up and punched him in the nose, amiright? Huh? HUH?!?!

And that guy Cam Cleeland is clearly not tough enough to be in an NFL locker room.
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She should have manned up and punched him in the nose, amiright? Huh? HUH?!?!

And that guy Cam Cleeland is clearly not tough enough to be in an NFL locker room.
Nah, she should have called the cops and let them shoot him.
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For the entire season-and-a-half that he was with the Dolphins, he attempted to befriend the same teammates who subjected him to the abuse with the hope that doing so would end the harassment. This is a textbook reaction of victims of bullying.
True dat. Don't be fooled by appearances, they don't always tell the story.
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Despite these efforts, the taunting continued. Beyond the well-publicized voice mail with its racial epithet, Jonathan endured a malicious physical attack on him by a teammate
I want to know who & what this was, the physical attack???
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what this was, the physical attack???
He gave him the stink eye ...
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Nah, she should have called the cops and let them shoot him.
That sounds great in theory, especially since it's Incognito, but they'd probably show up and shoot her, her dog, and her kid or something.
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That sounds great in theory, especially since it's Incognito, but they'd probably show up and shoot her, her dog, and her kid or something.
Not if she tells them he's an honorary black guy.
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