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Old 11-07-2013   #221
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Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Smith that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito.
PR nightmare for Miami.

If this is true, it's no wonder he left the team. His teammates are friggin' idiots, no help there. The GM's solution is "just punch him," no help there.
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Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland told Martin’s agent, Rick Smith, that Martin should “punch” Incognito
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Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Smith that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito...
So this whole thing was a psychological ploy engineered by the ever classy Jeff Ireland...?
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...in the Dolphins locker room, Richie Incognito was considered a black guy. He was accepted by the black players. He was an honorary black man.
And Jonathan Martin, who is bi-racial, was not. Indeed, Martin was considered less black than Incognito.



Mmmmkay, so the white guy is black but the black guy is not. Natch.

When are they just going to admit the team ordered a Code Red on Martin?

Growing up there would always be that ONE white guy or Latino who kicked it with a group of brothas and would essentially be seen as "one of us" BUT the guy in question wouldn't be dropping N-bombs. The individual in question would be seen as EITHER "cool as hell" or a "crazy muff-hugga". That might have changed since a billion years ago when I was growing up, but to me it just looks like Incognito is a jerk, but his team mates are sticking by him because that's what you do.The prevailing attitude is "The guy's an a-hole, but he's OUR a-hole."
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Growing up there would always be that ONE white guy or Latino who kicked it with a group of brothas and would essentially be seen as "one of us" BUT the guy in question wouldn't be dropping N-bombs. The individual in question would be seen as EITHER "cool as hell" or a "crazy muff-hugga". That might have changed since a billion years ago when I was growing up, but to me it just looks like Incognito is a jerk, but his team mates are sticking by him because that's what you do.The prevailing attitude is "The guy's an a-hole, but he's OUR a-hole."
In August of my son's Sr year playing HS football, two best friends were riding together in a car - one white (although he was a ginger) and one black. These guys were inseparable prior to the following incident. The white guy was driving and they were joking around, he used the n word. The black guy punched him and broke his jaw. Which reinforces the idea that it is NOT ok for a white guy to drop the n bomb. Ruined both of their Senior years. One guy couldn't play due to injury and the other had to transfer to another school as a condition of not being charged with assault.
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In August of my son's Sr year playing HS football, two best friends were riding together in a car - one white (although he was a ginger) and one black. These guys were inseparable prior to the following incident. The white guy was driving and they were joking around, he used the n word. The black guy punched him and broke his jaw. Which reinforces the idea that it is NOT ok for a white guy to drop the n bomb. Ruined both of their Senior years. One guy couldn't play due to injury and the other had to transfer to another school as a condition of not being charged with assault.
Not having been there, I can't attest to what happened, but you give a guy ONE free pass on that. Either homeboy said it repeatedly, OR said it in a context which pissed his boy the vugg off. That sounds unpleasant.
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Not having been there, I can't attest to what happened, but you give a guy ONE free pass on that. Either homeboy said it repeatedly, OR said it in a context which pissed his boy the vugg off. That sounds unpleasant.
From what I heard, it was a reflexive action. But the story does make me skeptical of Incognito's "honorary blackness" giving him a free pass to drop the n word.
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From what I heard, it was a reflexive action. But the story does make me skeptical of Incognito's "honorary blackness" giving him a free pass to drop the n word.
I think the Dolphins are in damage control mode and are encouraging the players to come forward to speak on Incognito's behalf. I'm waiting for some of his FORMER team mates to come forward to do the same as I KNOW it's not going to happen. The GM (or coach I can't remember which) asked a potential draftee last year if his mother was a prostitute. I question the intellect and decision making abilities of the Dolphins. Smart people would cut their losses.
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Whole story pisses me off. I'm pissed off at everyone involved in it.
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I played bass in a blues band for a black dude. He would always call me and the drummer (both white) his "n-bomb-with-an-'a'-s". First time he said it my eyes must have bulged out, because he laughed his ass off and said it just means good friend to him. I got used to it over time...sorta'....always kinda' weird...funny part was his white g/f getting mad at me when I said me and the drummer were crackers (a term I'd never heard before this blues band). So he could call us nbomba's, but god forbid if I laughed at the term cracker. Go figure.

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If you think Incognito's career is ruined from this than I think you are completely wrong. If Incognito is cut someone will pick him up and I think there is a better chance of him still being on the team rather than Martin.
I tend to agree. Richie will go to some kind of sensitivity training and get picked up by the Raiders.

The NFL has shown a tendency to forgive guys for a lot of things if they still have game in them.

It's still a business at the end of the day, and marketing will spin Richie's story as reformed if he chooses that path.
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Incognito and Martin: An Insider’s Story

Former Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Lydon Murtha pulls back the curtain on what he saw and what he’s heard of the relationship between Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin, from the locker room dynamic to that now-famous O-line trip to Vegas

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From the beginning, when he was drafted in April 2012, Martin did not seem to want to be one of the group. He came off as standoffish and shy to the rest of the offensive linemen. He couldn’t look anyone in the eye, which was puzzling for a football player at this level on a team full of grown-ass men. We all asked the same question: Why won’t he be open with us? What’s with the wall being put up? I never really figured it out. He did something I’d never seen before by balking at the idea of paying for a rookie dinner, which is a meal for a position group paid for by rookies. (For example, I paid $9,600 for one my rookie year.) I don’t know if Martin ever ended up paying for one, as I was cut before seeing the outcome.

Martin was expected to play left tackle beside Incognito at guard from the start, so Incognito took him under his wing. They were close friends by all apperances. Martin had a tendency to tank when things would get difficult in practice, and Incognito would lift him up. He’d say, there’s always tomorrow. Richie has been more kind to Martin than any other player.

In other situations, when Martin wasn’t showing effort, Richie would give him a lot of crap. He was a leader on the team, and he would get in your face if you were unprepared or playing poorly. The crap he would give Martin was no more than he gave anyone else, including me. Other players said the same things Incognito said to Martin, so you’d need to suspend the whole team if you suspend Incognito...
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I'm not sure how much of an insider's story this can really be considered, when Murtha was gone from the Dolphins at the end of Martin's rookie training camp, and the introduction to the piece includes the phrase "and what he's heard" as a significant part of the description.

To me it begs the questions "When did he hear it", and "Who did he hear it from".
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I played bass in a blues band for a black dude. He would always call me and the drummer (both white) his "n-bomb-with-an-'a'-s". First time he said it my eyes must have bulged out, because he laughed his ass off and said it just means good friend to him. I got used to it over time...sorta'....always kinda' weird...funny part was his white g/f getting mad at me when I said me and the drummer were crackers (a term I'd never heard before this blues band). So he could call us nbomba's, but god forbid if I laughed at the term cracker. Go figure.

We live in strange, confusing times.



I tend to agree. Richie will go to some kind of sensitivity training and get picked up by the Raiders.

The NFL has shown a tendency to forgive guys for a lot of things if they still have game in them.

It's still a business at the end of the day, and marketing will spin Richie's story as reformed if he chooses that path.
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Declaring war on warrior culture: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...llying-scandal

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I am here to hurt you, so I'll also say this: You're a warrior, cool. What the hell are you a warrior for? I'm sorry if this makes it sound like I have emotions other than anger — I assure you that I don't — but tell me this: What's the point of being strong if all you stand for is abusing a suffering teammate? Those guys who taught me that when you see a problem, you step up and solve it, all those anonymous sources foaming on about how to be a man — is that what they think "being a man" is? I mean, nothing about protecting someone who's struggling in your big gender equation, then? Nothing about, like, knowing right from wrong?

Here's what I can't stop thinking: There were so many tough men in that Dolphins locker room. The unwritten code of football is that you handle your business in-house. Any one of these men could have said something to stop Incognito and help Martin. Any one of them could have handled it. They're warriors, right? They're paragons of strength. And yeah, there are complex reasons why they didn't. But they didn't.
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IMHO: just another dude bro justifying a broken system/philosophy because he doesn't know better.
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Growing up there would always be that ONE white guy or Latino who kicked it with a group of brothas and would essentially be seen as "one of us" BUT the guy in question wouldn't be dropping N-bombs. The individual in question would be seen as EITHER "cool as hell" or a "crazy muff-hugga". That might have changed since a billion years ago when I was growing up, but to me it just looks like Incognito is a jerk, but his team mates are sticking by him because that's what you do.The prevailing attitude is "The guy's an a-hole, but he's OUR a-hole."
Reminds me of this classic scene from "The Wire"

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Default Re: T Johnathan Martin headed for NFI list, may never return to the Dolphins

In high school I hung out with lots of black guys and was free to use the "n" word as long as it ended with an "a" with all of them. So it's not like this awful word to a lot of people.
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