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Old 11-05-2013   #121
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It will be interesting to see how both Kubiak and McNair handle this going forward. Seems it would be difficult for Gary to "step away" from coaching as he has been at this so long. Hopefully, he will be alright but to put in those hours in that stress has to be "addicting". Will McNair allow him to continue coaching without 100% medical clearance? When Gary bent over I thought "stroke" and then "dang, he was coaching a great game."
Gary has coached his last game for the Texans, he seriously can't think about coming back to coaching. In today's world of the NFL why would you allow a coach with a mini stroke to return, how can you talk about player safety and then continue to let a coach coach after a mini stroke.

Why would you even risk coming back, you have all the money you could ever need, your family, and well your health is at risk. Stay home, get well, enjoy doing charities and back away from the stress/high risk job.
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True on the last part for sure and I appreciate the previous two posters who were able to respond in a mature manner. I just think the players would have had more of the "win one for Kubes" mentality. Maybe our offense did but our fat kicker and awful defense did not. I just see all these teams rally around their sick/dead coaches and owners and we don't. We rally around letterman jackets and 20/20/20 and Super Bowl or bust.
The Texans were the best team in the league the 1st half of the Seahawks and Colts games . They stunk the 2nd half of each game for whatever reason . I think Kubiak going down bothered them , it had to , but nobody went down vs Seattle .

The key in both was dumb mistakes and giving the other team a chance . Tate's fumble and the pick 6 hurt but so did Schaub's first pick vs Seatlle . Against the Colts you have 3 missed FGs , Reed putting his elbow upside a WRs head , hitting Luck late , and blowing a coverage .
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It will be interesting to see how both Kubiak and McNair handle this going forward. Seems it would be difficult for Gary to "step away" from coaching as he has been at this so long. Hopefully, he will be alright but to put in those hours in that stress has to be "addicting". Will McNair allow him to continue coaching without 100% medical clearance? When Gary bent over I thought "stroke" and then "dang, he was coaching a great game."
If the doctors give him clearance, I see him coming back to coaching. And no way will McNair fire him after this season, even if the results are 2-14. I could not envision a situation where McNair fires his golden boy after suffering a stroke during the middle of a game.

However, if coaching is directly contributing to Kubiak's condition, I would hope that he makes the 'right' decision for his family, not the franchise, players, or sport he loves. I would assume his family is priority based on what we know about Gary Kubiak. If this is a condition with a percentage chance, I do not think it's worth it, all things considered.

Nobody could, or would, blame him at all for walking away.
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If the doctors give him clearance, I see him coming back to coaching. And no way will McNair fire him after this season, even if the results are 2-14. I could not envision a situation where McNair fires his golden boy after suffering a stroke during the middle of a game.
Spot on. Barring a medical prognosis prohibiting him from coaching, firing Kubiak discussions are now moot. If able, he will be back.
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If the source of his TIA is entirely controllable and is indeed completely controlled, such as the most likely AF, by medication or ablation, do not be surprised to see him return within the next 2 weeks.
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Spot on. Barring a medical prognosis prohibiting him from coaching, firing Kubiak discussions are now moot. If able, he will be back.
My thought pre-mini-stroke was that Kubiak was going to be back. There were excuses set in place before Kubiak fell out. Schaub crappin the bed, injuries to the D..
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There are conflicting reports out there on whether Kubiak sustained a "mini-stroke" or not. Either way, it's a fantastic sign that he's already out of the hospital after collapsing during Sunday night's loss to the Colts. In fact, he's expected to miss just one week of work and then return to the team ahead of Week 11. Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips will guide the Texans as they prepare for the Cardinals this week.
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If the source of his TIA is entirely controllable and is indeed completely controlled, such as the most likely AF, by medication or ablation, do not be surprised to see him return within the next 2 weeks.
I just hope, that with all the tests, they are able to pinpoint the source and treat it, to where he doesn't have to worry when the big one is going to hit.
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Spot on. Barring a medical prognosis prohibiting him from coaching, firing Kubiak discussions are now moot. If able, he will be back.
Might be the perfect excuse for McNair to move Kubiak to a VP of football operations, allowing him to bring in a new head coach without firing the man. We all know Kubiak is much more than a head coach in this organization, & he's really done a fine job in all aspects of building this organization to what it is...... but, we should be able to find a better head coach.
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I don't think there was ever any real question about Kubiak's return as HC next year. That's just the way the Texans FO operates.
However, The discussion about Kubiak's fitness as a HC either before or after the collapse , and the one about his getting well and prognosis as a human being going forward are two different discussions.
Here's hoping for God Speed in your full recovery and good health in the future Coach Kubiak!
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Might be the perfect excuse for McNair to move Kubiak to a VP of football operations, allowing him to bring in a new head coach without firing the man. We all know Kubiak is much more than a head coach in this organization, & he's really done a fine job in all aspects of building this organization to what it is...... but, we should be able to find a better head coach.
The success of the Colts could likely be a part of the decision of whether or not the Texans should continue down the same road traveled the last 8 years. If Colts make it to AFC Championship game in addition to also having $40 million to spend in free agency in 2014 vs Texans picking in Top 10 in the 2014 NFL Draft with only $8 million available to spend under the salary cap in the 2014, this will not only dictate change but demand changes in the front office. Not only do the Texans have a failed business model but a business model that has been losing ground to the competition and has reached a point where it getting considerably worse.
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If the doctors give him clearance, I see him coming back to coaching. And no way will McNair fire him after this season, even if the results are 2-14. I could not envision a situation where McNair fires his golden boy after suffering a stroke during the middle of a game.

However, if coaching is directly contributing to Kubiak's condition, I would hope that he makes the 'right' decision for his family, not the franchise, players, or sport he loves. I would assume his family is priority based on what we know about Gary Kubiak. If this is a condition with a percentage chance, I do not think it's worth it, all things considered.

Nobody could, or would, blame him at all for walking away.
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Might be the perfect excuse for McNair to move Kubiak to a VP of football operations, allowing him to bring in a new head coach without firing the man. We all know Kubiak is much more than a head coach in this organization, & he's really done a fine job in all aspects of building this organization to what it is...... but, we should be able to find a better head coach.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Bump Kube's upstairs, so to speak. Take the day-to-day stress off his plate. Let him be a "consultant" a la Dan Reeves. Hell, let him pick his successor - or at least compile the list of candidates he'd like to see follow him. Whatever. Just back off, Kubes. Go watch your kids play ball.



Part of me wonders if this is why he can never watch FGs...?
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The success of the Colts could likely be a part of the decision of whether or not the Texans should continue down the same road traveled the last 8 years. If Colts make it to AFC Championship game in addition to also having $40 million to spend in free agency in 2014 vs Texans picking in Top 10 in the 2014 NFL Draft with only $8 million available to spend under the salary cap in the 2014, this will not only dictate change but demand changes in the front office. Not only do the Texans have a failed business model but a business model that has been losing ground to the competition and has reached a point where it getting considerably worse.
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Show me a business model where a $700 million investment turns into $1.4 BILLION worth, and any expert would say that is anything but a so-called "failed business model".

Your clear agenda blinds you to any credible objectivity.

It is one thing to want a FO overhaul, as many fans agree. But to spew ignorance about "failed business model" in the face of clear success is just goofy, at best.

Go ahead an spin it now.
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LMAO at "Texans have a failed business model"!!! What a bunch of hogwash.



Show me a business model where a $700 million investment turns into $1.4 BILLION worth, and any expert would say that is anything but a so-called "failed business model".

Your clear agenda blinds you to any credible objectivity.

It is one thing to want a FO overhaul, as many fans agree. But to spew ignorance about "failed business model" in the face of clear success is just goofy, at best.

Go ahead an spin it now.
As a football fan I would hope you would be more concerned about on field performance and less about how much money McNair makes despite having very little on field success. But then again it never ceases to amaze me how people nowadays admire the rich while the little guy's money is being sucked away left and right.
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As a football fan I would hope you would be more concerned about on field performance and less about how much money McNair makes despite having very little on field success. But then again it never ceases to amaze me how people nowadays admire the rich while the little guy's money is being sucked away left and right.
Of course I care about on field performance, but that doesn't mean I swallow baseless hyperbole like sugar cubes.

I have no admiration for rich folks. I could not care less about class envy. So take your little straw man elsewhere, with all due respect.

But to make a statement that the Houston Texans is a "failed business model", I find it silly.

It's all just entertainment to me. So maybe I lack the emotional dependency of the vicarious folks.
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Of course I care about on field performance, but that doesn't mean I swallow baseless hyperbole like sugar cubes.

I have no admiration for rich folks. I could not care less about class envy. So take your little straw man elsewhere, with all due respect.

But to make a statement that the Houston Texans is a "failed business model", I find it silly.

It's all just entertainment to me. So maybe I lack the emotional dependency of the vicarious folks.
28,000 posts and it's just entertainment...you might want to check out a movie sometimes...with all due respect...

I'm fairly sure they original post meant 'failed football model' or 'failed championship model'. I understood what they meant.
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As a football fan I would hope you would be more concerned about on field performance and less about how much money McNair makes despite having very little on field success. But then again it never ceases to amaze me how people nowadays admire the rich while the little guy's money is being sucked away left and right.
DB was responding to an earlier post that Texans had a failed business plan so I do not get your post. Also hoping your "little guy" comment has nothing to do with fans with discretionary funds to pay NFL prices?

Having said this, not sure how much Kubiak or team's record historically has to do with worth of this franchise. A football starved fan base that fills the stadium, plus Reliant naming rights and other advertisment money is bigger factor. I give credit to McNair for business plan as it was established way before Kubiak became coach.
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28,000 posts and it's just entertainment...you might want to check out a movie sometimes...with all due respect...

I'm fairly sure they original post meant 'failed football model' or 'failed championship model'. I understood what they meant.
Post count as a moderator and member for almost 10 years. Whole lotta' NSZ conversations, as well. Bunch of air and one liners. Big deal. Post count means nothing but wasted time.

You can be sure of whatever you desire, but that's not what the lady said. Words represent ourselves on a forum, so I take them at face value. I try to avoid assumptions, and perhaps you should try it, as well.

Besides, Mr. Reader, my point was watching the NFL is entertainment. Some folks take it to another level with emotional investment. Sorry you were unable to comprehend a fairly basic and clear point.
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Context is important...here are the original comments:

'The success of the Colts could likely be a part of the decision of whether or not the Texans should continue down the same road traveled the last 8 years. If Colts make it to AFC Championship game in addition to also having $40 million to spend in free agency in 2014 vs Texans picking in Top 10 in the 2014 NFL Draft with only $8 million available to spend under the salary cap in the 2014, this will not only dictate change but demand changes in the front office. Not only do the Texans have a failed business model but a business model that has been losing ground to the competition and has reached a point where it getting considerably worse.'

I think it's quite clear that the point being made involved talent evaluation and cap management. NOT if the Texans as a whole are profitable overall. You just chose to take it in that direction due to two poorly chosen words.

But whatever....you can obviously out post me quantity wise so I'm moving on. Enjoy your 'victory'....hopefully unlike a Kubiak coached team you can keep it up for four quarters!
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Default Re: Kubiak Collapses at the half

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Originally Posted by AMartin56 View Post
But whatever....you can obviously out post me quantity wise so I'm moving on. Enjoy your 'victory'....hopefully unlike a Kubiak coached team you can keep it up for four quarters!
I honestly do not understand the attitude behind your posts. I have never had a beef with you and I'm not sure where your vitriol originates from.

But if you feel the need to be competitive, be my guest. You can "win" the internet!

As far as the original subject with Texian, you could very well be right and things not written correctly taken out of context. That said, Texian is always able to defend herself, and while I rarely agree with her, I do think she is articulate and intelligent and does not need your rush to her defense.

And don't get too caught up in post count. I have been very fortunate to have made many, many friends on Texans Talk/HT.com over the years, and much of the number is directly attributed to conversations with these many fine folks.
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