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Old 11-05-2013   #161
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You should probably read the next paragraph, they were still in the driver's seat for the #1 pick, even with that win.



Guess what happened in Jacksonville? I think it's pretty obvious they weren't really trying to win that year, given the roster and personnel. You can call it whatever you want, but I saw a team that was tanking that year. No I don't have a quote from a GM that said that was their plan, but that's what I believe they were doing.



Why is this so difficult to follow? More wins = worse draft position. That's what happens when we win at this point, because this team isn't making the playoffs, and we will end up with about the 10-15th pick if we beat Jax twice, the Raiders and one more against whoever. It's pointless. The season is over and we are back where we were when Kubiak took over this franchise 7 years ago. A decent team with some good pieces that's going nowhere fast.



Probably. This team isn't going anywhere with current management. I'm ready for the full nuclear option to get things going in the right direction. Burn it to the ground and rebuild.



Yes sir, if fans like you don't support this team in its current state and clamor for change.



Lol... thanks Captain Obvious.
So who made the decision, and how did they go about implementing their nefarious little scheme to throw the entire season?
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Oh, hell no.

The thing about being a sunshiner, which I am, is that you can always look on the bright side of things. The thing about being a hater is that it doesn't matter how good the team does, it always sucks. Some of the haters have admitted that we could win a Super Bowl but it wouldn't matter if it was THIS regime that did it. And if everything they wanted to happen happened, they'd still find something to whine about.

That's a sad way to go through life.

Should Bullock be gone? Yep. Should Marciano be gone? Yep. Does going on a 6 game losing streak suck? Yep.

But I still think this is a good team with a lot of good pieces in place and I haven't given up on this season (or this regime), yet. We might not make the play-offs, we've dug ourselves a hole that only 1 team since 1960 has been able to overcome. But we can still be competitive and we can still play hard and things might break our way.

I think we've hit a jackpot with Keenum. This year might not take us to the promised land but it might be just what we need to get there next year and/or the year after.

OTOH, if we fire all of our coaches and bring in a new staff, I'll get behind this new staff (even if I hate the coaches) and I'll hope for the best.

That's what being a sunshiner is about: keeping a positive mental attitude. Where a hater sees 8 years without a successful season (where success can only be a SB), a sunshiner sees several successful seasons with lots of bright spots and things to look forward to.
So much truth in this entire post. But hey, I'm sure some 'realist' (lol) will be along shortly to explain the folly of your ways...
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You should probably read the next paragraph, they were still in the driver's seat for the #1 pick, even with that win.
I read the whole article.

My point was that beating the Texans undermines your entire conspiracy theory. Why would they try to win at all?

And you did not answer the question: Do you honestly believe there was a conspiracy in the lockerroom and front office to tank the season for a draft pick?

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Guess what happened in Jacksonville? I think it's pretty obvious they weren't really trying to win that year, given the roster and personnel. You can call it whatever you want, but I saw a team that was tanking that year. No I don't have a quote from a GM that said that was their plan, but that's what I believe they were doing.
What was obvious is that the entire team was built around a HoF QB and they were unable to compensate for it when he was gone.

People believe all kinds of fantasies so your's is no different in that regard.

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Why is this so difficult to follow? More wins = worse draft position. That's what happens when we win at this point, because this team isn't making the playoffs, and we will end up with about the 10-15th pick if we beat Jax twice, the Raiders and one more against whoever. It's pointless. The season is over and we are back where we were when Kubiak took over this franchise 7 years ago. A decent team with some good pieces that's going nowhere fast.
We are in a much better place now than we were at the end of the 2005 season.

2-14 was not a decent team with some good pieces. That was a horrible team that had no fight in it. They never had a lead in the first 6 games of that season.

As far as draft position, no ****. I guess I don't have the market cornered on Captain Obvious statements. But you act like draft picks are a sure thing, when this franchise has been spotty, at best.

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Probably. This team isn't going anywhere with current management. I'm ready for the full nuclear option to get things going in the right direction. Burn it to the ground and rebuild.
And this current management is probably not going anywhere with current owner.

You can be ready all you want, but McNair is the one that has to be ready for it. According to his own words, it's a traumatic experience to change head coaches. Nothing McNair has said this season indicates any sort of finger on the button to nuke this FO.

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Yes sir, if fans like you don't support this team in its current state and clamor for change.
I support the team by watching them play. I have no financial investment at this point in time. I doubt my lack of viewing changes a thing, but maybe I'm a lot more important than I realize...in fantasy world.

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Lol... thanks Captain Obvious.
You're welcome. So obvious that you need to be reminded of it.
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I support the team by watching them play. I have no financial investment at this point in time. I doubt my lack of viewing changes a thing, but maybe I'm a lot more important than I realize...in fantasy world.
Oh dear! That's gonna leave a mark
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But you act like draft picks are a sure thing, when this franchise has been spotty, at best.
And not just this franchise. Draft picks ARE spotty at best for EVERYONE. Let's tank so we get to draft Russell Wilson, yeah, that should work out. Super Bowls to come for years and years.

And that of course is just one example. You can go on and on damn near indefinitely with this little game. Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf? Colts got lucky and got it right. Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson - the Lions not so lucky.

Draft picks are a roll of the dice no matter what position you are in. Wanting to lose to get a higher draft pick, that's just dumb. I don't even know why you'd follow sports with thinking like that.

You think the Jaguars aren't going to come in here and put up a fight against the Texans in 3 weeks? Jeopardize their #1 pick? I mean, they're only 2 games behind the Texans with 2 games to play against them so it could happen. They are going to come in here and play to win. This tanking business is BS. You don't put your body at risk in NFL games to lose on purpose.
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And not just this franchise. Draft picks ARE spotty at best for EVERYONE. Let's tank so we get to draft Russell Wilson, yeah, that should work out. Super Bowls to come for years and years.

And that of course is just one example. You can go on and on damn near indefinitely with this little game. Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf? Colts got lucky and got it right. Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson - the Lions not so lucky.

Draft picks are a roll of the dice no matter what position you are in. Wanting to lose to get a higher draft pick, that's just dumb. I don't even know why you'd follow sports with thinking like that.

You think the Jaguars aren't going to come in here and put up a fight against the Texans in 3 weeks? Jeopardize their #1 pick? I mean, they're only 2 games behind the Texans with 2 games to play against them so it could happen. They are going to come in here and play to win. This tanking business is BS. You don't put your body at risk in NFL games to lose on purpose.
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And not just this franchise. Draft picks ARE spotty at best for EVERYONE. Let's tank so we get to draft Russell Wilson, yeah, that should work out. Super Bowls to come for years and years.

And that of course is just one example. You can go on and on damn near indefinitely with this little game. Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf? Colts got lucky and got it right. Charles Rogers or Andre Johnson - the Lions not so lucky.

Draft picks are a roll of the dice no matter what position you are in. Wanting to lose to get a higher draft pick, that's just dumb. I don't even know why you'd follow sports with thinking like that.

You think the Jaguars aren't going to come in here and put up a fight against the Texans in 3 weeks? Jeopardize their #1 pick? I mean, they're only 2 games behind the Texans with 2 games to play against them so it could happen. They are going to come in here and play to win. This tanking business is BS. You don't put your body at risk in NFL games to lose on purpose.
Thank YOU!!!

That said and I've said it before, draft picks are a craps shoot at best.

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Sorry about the double post. 'Puter is hanging up a bit.
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Thank YOU!!!

That said and I've said it before, draft picks are a craps shoot at best.

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Just be prepared to move on from the busts. Bullock appears to be one of the least costly, unless you count wins.....
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Tanking does happen. Just not by the players, but by the people up top. They do everything within their power to put their team in a position to lose. How do you think the Spurs got Tim Duncan? You'd be naive to think teams don't tank. Hell, just recently an NBA GM admitted his team was tanking this season. That's the price you pay for a better chance of landing a superstar.


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Looks like we are sticking with Pillsbury.

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Looks like we are sticking with Pillsbury.

That sucks. Basically this was all some kind of motivational tactic to get Randy Bullock's "groove" back by threatening him with other kickers who the Texans obviously had no intention of signing.

Typical. Texans. Bull****.

He should have been released Monday morning. Graham is a fine kicker and perfectly adequate for our needs. There's no reason outside of morbid curiosity (Will he really miss 16 ****ing kicks in one year? I gotta know!) to keep Bullock but we're gonna do it anyway.
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Now that the season is over and no pressure I'm sure fat Randy will start making FGs and the FO will stick with him through next season when the shanks will pop up again and cost us games in 2014, probably with Marciano running the ST. Cant go making changes round these parts, stay the course.
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Now that the season is over and no pressure I'm sure fat Randy will start making FGs and the FO will stick with him through next season when the shanks will pop up again and cost us games in 2014, probably with Marciano running the ST. Cant go making changes round these parts, stay the course.
Yes, stay the course. All the way to the bottom of the barrell. It's amazing how an organization can stick besides their mistakes for so long. I'm absolutely dumbfounded this shankapotamus still has a job. He and marciano have got go.
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This tanking business is BS. You don't put your body at risk in NFL games to lose on purpose.
Vinny has made an excellent point on this several times. You aren't going to get the players to tank. Their body of work and resume is film. They are staring at losing millions of dollars or being out of the league for putting in a half assed performance.
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so Randy is actually helping Texans reach their goals by missing FG after FG? very interesting
well, it worked when kris brown helped us to "win" the reggie bush sweepstakes ...
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I tried opening a post but it was closed (merged with this one but it's the same thing)

We are trying out 3 kickers

Shayne Graham, Neil Rackers and Justin Medlock.

should we consider it?

I remember rackers being praised as one of the best a couple of years ago, he had a nice record... can't remember what it was... maybe longest streak of FG "from 45 yards or less".

the only thing I remember of shayne is that 55 yarder in the playoff, but I don't know how good he is now

Justin Medlock, I never even heard of this guy... so idk if he's good at all

wikipedia sure doesn't help his cause

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On August 27, 2013, he was signed by the Raiders. On August 31, 2013, he was waived.
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That sucks. Basically this was all some kind of motivational tactic to get Randy Bullock's "groove" back by threatening him with other kickers who the Texans obviously had no intention of signing.

Typical. Texans. Bull****.

He should have been released Monday morning. Graham is a fine kicker and perfectly adequate for our needs. There's no reason outside of morbid curiosity (Will he really miss 16 ****ing kicks in one year? I gotta know!) to keep Bullock but we're gonna do it anyway.
There wasn't any chance that they would cut Gary's guy with so much unknown about Gary's health. This was strictly about sending a message to Bullock.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of these guys come back after Bullock blows it again on Sunday. I'm pulling for Rackers.
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That sucks. Basically this was all some kind of motivational tactic to get Randy Bullock's "groove" back by threatening him with other kickers who the Texans obviously had no intention of signing.

Typical. Texans. Bull****.

He should have been released Monday morning. Graham is a fine kicker and perfectly adequate for our needs. There's no reason outside of morbid curiosity (Will he really miss 16 ****ing kicks in one year? I gotta know!) to keep Bullock but we're gonna do it anyway.
IIRC, when Kris Brown was having his problems Kubiak flat out stated they'd evaluate kickers after the season was over. It looks like that might be the end result here, although even looking at other kickers this week was a small step forward.
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

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IIRC, when Kris Brown was having his problems Kubiak flat out stated they'd evaluate kickers after the season was over. It looks like that might be the end result here, although even looking at other kickers this week was a small step forward.
Nailed it!


I'd just like to know what a John Madden, Chuck Knoll or Bill Cowher would do in this situation.

But, knowing how many players really need a review after this season does make sense. It's too late to "make an example" out of Bullock for poor play. There's just been so many injuries and poor play this season to get an accurate account of what is really wrong with this team.

Add the fact that the HC is just out of the hospital, maybe it does make some sense to put things in neutral for the time being?
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