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Old 11-05-2013   #21
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Mitchell's cap hit is $827k. He isn't taking any cuts from that if he stays.
What would you think if Rick drafted a true NT and let Mitchell/Crick share time at DE?

Mitchell is a 3-4 NT that should be playing DE. IMHO
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What would you think if Rick drafted a true NT and let Mitchell/Crick share time at DE?

Mitchell is a 3-4 NT that should be playing DE. IMHO
I think Mitchell/Crick would be an adequate combo at DE but a downgrade from Antonio backed by either one. I think if the coaching staff stays Antonio gets a 3 year deal averaging around $4 mil.

On NT I think we have definite room for improvement but I am not fixated on size. I think a player like Seth Payne in his prime would be great in this system and would push the pocket more and get double teamed more frequently than Mitchell.
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What would you think if Rick drafted a true NT and let Mitchell/Crick share time at DE?

Mitchell is a 3-4 NT that should be playing DE. IMHO
Texans always have more pressing needs that's why. The drop off from a prospect who is considered a 1st rd. grade with a 3rd or 5th not all that significant compared to other skill positions in Wade Phillips system. For example the edge usually goes to OG's & OT. Center is a position that gets overlooked not surprisingly the position which goes head to head with the nose guard.

Star Lotulelei for example was selected 14th overall (one spot lower than JJ Watt). Solid player who has started every game but 20 tackles & one sack is not exactly comparable to other first round picks or even second round picks @ other positions. I know we discussed Kawaan Short in length last year with the 27th pick for Texans. He lasted until 44th also taken by Carolina. Rotational tackle, which is about right, 1 tackles & 1.5 sack. Compare those stats to Chris Jones, drafted by Texans late 6th 198th overall, cut by Texans then Tampa & picked up by Pats, 18 tackles 3.5 sacks.
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Texans always have more pressing needs that's why. The drop off from a prospect who is considered a 1st rd. grade with a 3rd or 5th not all that significant compared to other skill positions in Wade Phillips system. For example the edge usually goes to OG's & OT. Center is a position that gets overlooked not surprisingly the position which goes head to head with the nose guard.

Star Lotulelei for example was selected 14th overall (one spot lower than JJ Watt). Solid player who has started every game but 20 tackles & one sack is not exactly comparable to other first round picks or even second round picks @ other positions. I know we discussed Kawaan Short in length last year with the 27th pick for Texans. He lasted until 44th also taken by Carolina. Rotational tackle, which is about right, 1 tackles & 1.5 sack. Compare those stats to Chris Jones, drafted by Texans late 6th 198th overall, cut by Texans then Tampa & picked up by Pats, 18 tackles 3.5 sacks.
If you look past the stats you will see that Star is drawing double teams. Which is allowing Johnson and Hardy to improve the pass rush. He is also keeping Kuechly (SP?) clean. Also drafting Short in the 2nd rd proves they were comitted to stopping the run, providing depth and securing the position for the next 5 yrs. A novel idea.

When is the last time you saw Mitchell draw a double team? Why are the ILB's always getting injured?

This is why I consider NT/OT/ILB to be the 3 most pressing needs. They also could use a nickle CB.

The Texans cant fix everything in 1 yr, but if they were to draft

Nix,Skov and James that would be a great start. Solid 10 yr starters at positions of need. You could do worse. Nix will command a double team which will free up JJ/Mercilus etc.... and help keep Cushing clean, like Star does for Kuechly.
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If you look past the stats you will see that Star is drawing double teams. Which is allowing Johnson and Hardy to improve the pass rush. He is also keeping Kuechly (SP?) clean. Also drafting Short in the 2nd rd proves they were comitted to stopping the run, providing depth and securing the position for the next 5 yrs. A novel idea.

When is the last time you saw Mitchell draw a double team? Why are the ILB's always getting injured?

This is why I consider NT/OT/ILB to be the 3 most pressing needs. They also could use a nickle CB.

The Texans cant fix everything in 1 yr, but if they were to draft

Nix,Skov and James that would be a great start. Solid 10 yr starters at positions of need. You could do worse. Nix will command a double team which will free up JJ/Mercilus etc.... and help keep Cushing clean, like Star does for Kuechly.
Of course I understand what your saying, they did shut the door on need to stop the run with those two picks that fell perfectly inline this past draft. Kind of what the Texans did in free agency a couple years ago with J-lo & Manning to fix secondary, they just forgot to stay the course with their own (Glover Quin) draft pick.

I'm really torn on Nix III. Great talent, Texans WILL have a shot @ him but is he worth top 10 consideration? Then in 2nd do you go with another DT/DE who could split reps & be that rotational guy we thought Crick & McClain would become, offering Mitchell a fair but discounted home town contract?

I'm willing to go with best player on the board who fills Texan DL needs, just not sold on this draft class repeating how Carolina dealt with their own issues last season.
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The Texans biggest problem is getting a pass rush from their front 5 without having to constantly blitz. Teams eventually figure out the blitz schemes and then are able to light up the Texans as has been evident is several games in the 2nd half this season. NT is not the highest priority in fixing this problem. IMHO I think drafting Jeremiah Attachou and Aaron Donald would be best available at correcting this problem. A player like Chris Whaley might be best suited at NT.
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Of course I understand what your saying, they did shut the door on need to stop the run with those two picks that fell perfectly inline this past draft. Kind of what the Texans did in free agency a couple years ago with J-lo & Manning to fix secondary, they just forgot to stay the course with their own (Glover Quin) draft pick.

I'm really torn on Nix III. Great talent, Texans WILL have a shot @ him but is he worth top 10 consideration? Then in 2nd do you go with another DT/DE who could split reps & be that rotational guy we thought Crick & McClain would become, offering Mitchell a fair but discounted home town contract?

I'm willing to go with best player on the board who fills Texan DL needs, just not sold on this draft class repeating how Carolina dealt with their own issues last season.
Agree about Quin. It really made no sense at all to let him go. Signing Reed after the fact just leads one to ponder FO ineptitude. Just horrible decision making right there. Also, like you alluded to in another thread, letting Chris Jones walk was a horrible mistake. Waiving him to stash on the practice squad, but keeping healthy scratch guys like Montgomery on the active roster, again reeks of FO/coaching ineptitude. I'm still pissed about letting Jones go.

As for Nix. I really, really like him. The question is, does he make more of an impact for us than a guy like Barr, Mack, or Van Noy? Mercilus has played pretty well this year. Reed has not. Putting a top-flight pass rusher on the other side could make all the difference. Then again, having a guy in the middle that demands double teams could free up everything.
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I'm willing to go with best player on the board who fills Texan DL needs, just not sold on this draft class repeating how Carolina dealt with their own issues last season.
Or to the detriment of other positions - particularly RT. I want to replace the turnstile Newton is at RT in the first two rounds (Or with a significant FA).

As you see in my mock , fixing the inside of the defense is at the top of my list with ILB & NT taken with the 2nd & 3rd picks.


I also don't see them having the luxury of picking two guy's at NT who are going to rotate with premium picks - even if they do go to a 4-3 as Crick is likely to move inside in that scenario.

The defense hasn't been horrible , its been serviceable. I don't think we need wholesale changes up front to fix it - Just a tweak or two on the front end. The back end tho I question keeping Reed , Manning & J.Jo because of cost & performance.

Reed was a bust. He's been outplayed by Shiloh Keo & the rookie.

Manning has been serviceable when healthy but is expensive.

J.Jo hasn't been the same since he got injured last season and has a huge cap number. He's been more the problem than the solution , I cant see paying him that big contract based upon production.

My theory is to fill RT , ILB & NT in the first three rounds of the draft , add depth at S and CB later while adding a solid veteran CB via FA along with possibly an OG to replace Wade Smith.
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Or to the detriment of other positions - particularly RT. I want to replace the turnstile Newton is at RT in the first two rounds (Or with a significant FA).

As you see in my mock , fixing the inside of the defense is at the top of my list with ILB & NT taken with the 2nd & 3rd picks.


My theory is to fill RT , ILB & NT in the first three rounds of the draft , add depth at S and CB later while adding a solid veteran CB via FA along with possibly an OG to replace Wade Smith.
I love it!!! The only thing I'm worried about is waiting to get a NT till second or third round. After nix I just don't see anyone that impresses me.

Having said that, I wouldn't pass up Lewon or Mathews for anyone other than a franchise QB. Which not sure we will have a chance at.
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