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Old 11-04-2013   #101
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This is true

But apparently most of the Dolphins OL mates agrred with Incognito and backed him up. The Dolphins coaches must have agreed with Incognito also because they didn't stop it. This means that Martin wont be long for Miami.

Martin's biggest knock coming out of college was that he wasn't physical enough. Sounds like Martin will be Gary's RT of the future. I'm sure he will fit in quite well with Newton.

BTW, this is why it will be a long time before an openly gay player will be welcomed on a team. Teams look to avoid stuff like this like the plague. If you were to ask Ireland if he's glad that he drafted Martin or if he wishes he would've passed on Martin and Ireland was honest, I garuntee you Martin wouldn't be a Dolphin today.
I'll take him. He's better than what we have now at RT.....


In any event, SteelB you know me well enough that I hate the "wussification of 'Merica"

If this "supposed hazing" came from "the guys", that's one thing, but coming from this POS Cognito, EFF Him!!!

I don't mean to speak for nor do I represent Antonio Smith, I'm pretty sure the Ninja would agree..

Bottom line, this dude is a POS!!! I hope he never plays another down in the NFL!
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And be cut before the start of next season if the Lawyers will let the Dolphins cut him. Martin has been soft and played terrible this yr. He was being counted on to be the Dolphins LT for the next 10 yrs. He couldn't handle those responsibilities and was weak minded.

This story gets the fans mind off of his terrible play and focuses on his feelings, which was his goal in all of this. Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up and help the team. Did he go too far and use despicable behavior? Yes.

But apparently most of the Dolphins OL mates agrred with Incognito and backed him up. The Dolphins coaches must have agreed with Incognito also because they didn't stop it. This means that Martin wont be long for Miami.

Martin's biggest knock coming out of college was that he wasn't physical enough. Sounds like Martin will be Gary's RT of the future. I'm sure he will fit in quite well with Newton.

BTW, this is why it will be a long time before an openly gay player will be welcomed on a team. Teams look to avoid stuff like this like the plague. If you were to ask Ireland if he's glad that he drafted Martin or if he wishes he would've passed on Martin and Ireland was honest, I garuntee you Martin wouldn't be a Dolphin today.
I'm simply flabbergasted by this troglodyte mentality of "gotta tuffen 'im up if he wanna play ball" mentality being endorsed by a small minority.

Have you actually READ what Incognito said and did? Do you actually know that the NFL is a PROFESSIONAL football league? Do you understand that this goes above making a rook carry your pads or two-a-days?

There is a right way to be a MAN and carry yourself in this game of professional athletes and it's obvious that this game needs more JJ Watts and Andre Johnsons and Arian Fosters and need ZERO guys like Incognito. How is a game rife with tough guys not filled with incidents like this? Because most of them are not crappy scum bags of human beings who have a warped sense of what it means to be a man.

Not everyone is mentally or physically cut out to play the game, but let the GAME and the competition and PERFORMANCE suss out who should be on the field, not just racist, maschismo jackhole like Richie. He's not suited to be anywhere around other people, let alone a game like football.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
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Schefter tweets suggest Ingognito is a serious *********

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m
NFL has heard Richie Incognito's VM to Jonathan Martin. Dolphins have heard the voice mail.
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m
1: Richie Incognito left this VM for Jonathan Martin in April 2013: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of (expletive)...
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
2. More Incognito to Martin: "I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. (I want to) (expletive) in your (expl) mouth....
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
3. Incognito VM to Martin: "(I'm going to) slap your (expletive) mouth. (I'm going to) slap your real mother across the face (laughter).
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
4. Incognito to Martin, all on same VM in April 2013: "(Expletive) you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."
If a guy is going after you like Incognito is going after Martin (which apparently happened constantly at your high school and college) the only way to not be a wuss would be for Martin to smash Incognito in the head until his brains all ran out.

So IDEXAN, how many of your own teammates did you kill in high school and college? Or are you just a big ***** wussy that even Johnathan Martin would pick on? Or are you just full of crap?
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I'm simply flabbergasted by this troglodyte mentality of "gotta tuffen 'im up if he wanna play ball" mentality being endorsed by a small minority...
You do understand that troglodytes don't know what troglodyte means... ?






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yea, the voicemail messages and the texts and the racial slurs and the fines and suspensions were all just some clever farce. He was channeling his Prince Hal mischief so that he might emerge a heroic Henry V.

Is that about it?



No. There's nothing "apparently" about any of this. This is you making a scenario fit what it must for the rest of your narrative to cohere and calling it the logical conclusion.

It's sorta impressive how certain you and IDEXAN are in your conclusions with how little you actually know.



Ibid.
I'm asking you if you think his Dolphin teammates knew what was going on between Incognito and Martin? If they didn't they shoul have. Or was Ritchie the Lone Ranger who hated Martin because he is a racist POS. Why didn't Martin's fellow OL mates back him up? Especially since racism is normally taboo in the lockeroom? Martin's OL coach should've been told or knew what was going on, but nothing was said/done about it. Why was this?

Just because I think Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up doesn't mean that I dont think Incognito is a racist/egomanical POS. He is, I find it humorous that posters think I was trying to justify Incognito's actions.

Just to make it clear Incognito is a horrible human being. With that said the Cowgirls need a OG and Ritchie will be cut in 4 wks, so Incognito will be a Cowgirl this yr at some point this yr.
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If Antonio smith had connected with bashing incognitos face with his helmet he would have done the world a favor. I can see dickey incognito getting himself in a seriously violent altercation the way this dumb ape acts.
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I'm asking you if you think his Dolphin teammates knew what was going on between Incognito and Martin? If they didn't they shoul have. Or was Ritchie the Lone Ranger who hated Martin because he is a racist POS. Why didn't Martin's fellow OL mates back him up? Especially since racism is normally taboo in the lockeroom? Martin's OL coach should've been told or knew what was going on, but nothing was said/done about it. Why was this?

Just because I think Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up doesn't mean that I dont think Incognito is a racist/egomanical POS. He is, I find it humorous that posters think I was trying to justify Incognito's actions.

Just to make it clear Incognito is a horrible human being. With that said the Cowgirls need a OG and Ritchie will be cut in 4 wks, so Incognito will be a Cowgirl this yr at some point this yr.
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You do understand that troglodytes don't know what troglodyte means... ?






Agree 100%.
Wrong Buckwheat ... my doctor said my troglodytes were high and I better watch it .
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Wrong Buckwheat ... my doctor said my troglodytes were high and I better watch it .
Oh how we the unlearned must suffer from those who posess such great wisdom/knowledge.

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Just because I think Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up doesn't mean that I dont think Incognito is a racist/egomanical POS. He is, I find it humorous that posters think I was trying to justify Incognito's actions.
You REALLY think that Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up? Incognito was being a dick and a bully because that's what he IS. He was serving his own ego and rubbing one out while doing it probably. He just found an easy victim who wouldn't stoop to Richie's level.
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I think this situation is cut and dry. The kind of shenanigans that the Texans pull are cheeky and fun, but the kind that Incognito pulls are cruel and tragic, which makes them not really shenanigans at all. They are evil shenanigans.
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We were talking about this at work today and thought that the worst thing was that it wasn't really considered a big deal until the almighty n-word got involved.

It seemed like that as long as he had left that one word out, Incognito would have been given a pass and Martin would have been considered a wuss. It's a shame really.
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Wonder where Martin ends up ? We could use him as he's more of a finesse type Olineman with impressive athleticism so he can run and get to the second-level with ease, a "natural" for the Texans' ZBS. On the other hand Incognito is surely radio-active NFL wise and his best and only bet may be Canadian ball.
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I'm asking you if you think his Dolphin teammates knew what was going on between Incognito and Martin? If they didn't they shoul have. Or was Ritchie the Lone Ranger who hated Martin because he is a racist POS. Why didn't Martin's fellow OL mates back him up? Especially since racism is normally taboo in the lockeroom? Martin's OL coach should've been told or knew what was going on, but nothing was said/done about it. Why was this?

Just because I think Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up doesn't mean that I dont think Incognito is a racist/egomanical POS. He is, I find it humorous that posters think I was trying to justify Incognito's actions.

Just to make it clear Incognito is a horrible human being. With that said the Cowgirls need a OG and Ritchie will be cut in 4 wks, so Incognito will be a Cowgirl this yr at some point this yr.
Because you ARE trying to justify his actions. You're essentially saying, "Oh, call the black dude a N-word. That'll toughen him up. He's weak."
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I hope Incognito ends up in the NFC North so that he can face off with Suh and hopefully they can kill each other on the field.
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So before we start let's just be clear that I'm goign off what has been reported, and what I have heard, not what the truth is.

First off I think there are plenty of examples of how Incognito is f'ing crazy and should not be in the NFL anymore period.

- Martin has to pay $15k to olinemen on trip he doesn't go on.

normal rookie hazing in the NFL, not uncommon probably a bit much in my view, but I'm not making near as much money as they are.

- Martin gets brutal voicemail from Incognito after missings OTAs.

I would probably have something to say to a teammate that missed OTA's as well, that's a critical offense from my standpoint. Now that being said do I think he deserved to have his life threatened by a crazy POS and called racial slurs? No. Could have had left a Hey Jonathon, wtf where are you at message? Yes. Do I think Incognito was the only one to probably message him about missing OTAs? Probably not.

- Incognito's father on the forum post..

Seriously this just goes to show the level of crazy that exists with this whole family, cut bait and run NFL, the league and players deserve better than this POS.

I suspect the truth lies somewhere between the two stories, and in my experience in the locker room someone usually steps in and tells them to tone it down. Now that being said the entire locker room may or may not have been involved, and to Martin's defense Incognito is not one you can reason with. I feel sorry for Martin but I suspect there was a better way to handle it to just walk way from the team, but I could be wrong as well. If he approached the coaches and was told to deal with it then shame on them, and good for him.

I'm sure we'll get more coverage as the time goes on, but I'm glad about one thing, and I think that Incognito will have played his last down and a player in the NFL.
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I am amazed at people (generalization) defending Incognito or any practice of extortion. Besides the traditional stick them with the bill for ONE meal when they get their contract, and carrying shoulderpads, the rest is ridiculous.

Could you imagine getting together with co-workers and forcing the new guy to pay for everyones lunch while the new guy stays in the office? That doesnt happen because in the real world you have to show respect to one another. In the NFL, apparently respect isnt given, its taken.
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Because you ARE trying to justify his actions. You're essentially saying, "Oh, call the black dude a N-word. That'll toughen him up. He's weak."

Total BS

The N word has nothing to do with toughening him up. In fact if Ritchie hadn't used the N word all of this wouldn't be a big deal to the masses, as another poster pointed out. Which is sad.

The fact that both white and African-American teammates have come out in support of Incognito, calling him a great teammate and a leader. (I heard this on the news this morning) speaks volumes. Why aren't they supporting Martin? (Legitimate ?)

It's kinda sad really.

PS, dont put words in my mouth
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Question to the troglodytes that are rationalizing, condoning, defending, or in any other way excusing Incognito's behavior:

How far is too far? I mean, I understand hazing and I understand team camaraderie. Hazing is at its heart a team building exercise, but it can be taken too far. So if you think Martin is just being a wuss and Incognito is justified, how far is too far? Be specific, please.
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Question to the troglodytes that are rationalizing, condoning, defending, or in any other way excusing Incognito's behavior:

How far is too far? I mean, I understand hazing and I understand team camaraderie. Hazing is at its heart a team building exercise, but it can be taken too far. So if you think Martin is just being a wuss and Incognito is justified, how far is too far? Be specific, please.
My question, is that when it was clear (based on the team releasing the player, they obviously know something we don't) to the other linemen, teammates, coaching staff, you name it, that this was going on, why did they enable it?

This will likely wind up costing them a lot of money, to say nothing of the reputations that will be sullied, starting with Philbin and his offensive coaching staff.
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