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Old 11-04-2013   #121
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If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...
True, but at the same time you are passing on the top guy at a couple positions of need. Matthews and Barr would be ripe for the picking at top 5. Trade back and get a few more picks but then you miss out on a top prospect.

We have tons of holes though I agree. It's a slippery slope to navigate.
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JJO killed this team and my fantasy. 30 ****ing points from TY Hilton.

I'd kill for Purifoy from UF, but I'd rather lock up safety in the first with Haha Dix out of Bama.

Verrett from TCU in the second? or maybe Aaron Colvin from OU.
Safety help would definitely help. I'd be more comfortable trotting JJo out there with a new safety than a new corner with Reed.
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If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...
I agree, a trade from top 5 to around pick 20ish should gain us an upper 2nd round pick and a upper 3rd as well. Hopefully there's a team out there to make such a deal. We have lots of holes and need alot of help. We could still get one of the best CB's at #20 and then add some quality with 2 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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I agree, a trade from top 5 to around pick 20ish should gain us an upper 2nd round pick and a upper 3rd as well. Hopefully there's a team out there to make such a deal. We have lots of holes and need alot of help. We could still get one of the best CB's at #20 and then add some quality with 2 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The problem is most teams picking toward the end of the round already have a QB. The only teams I can think of that may be drafting toward 20 that may want a QB is Chicago and Arizona. Maybe another team would be willing to trade up that far for Matthews, Barr, or Clowney.
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If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...
This. I'm beginning to think that Keenum is definitely the guy (we have the rest of the season to evaluate. I'm fully in draft mode right now) and if he is we can afford to take a 2nd or 3rd round QB.

RB is a need. Foster... I'm not above cutting him if need be. He's worn out. How would you guys feel about Melvin Gordon out of Wisconsin?
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If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...

Why not take the qb?
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This. I'm beginning to think that Keenum is definitely the guy (we have the rest of the season to evaluate. I'm fully in draft mode right now) and if he is we can afford to take a 2nd or 3rd round QB.

RB is a need. Foster... I'm not above cutting him if need be. He's worn out. How would you guys feel about Melvin Gordon out of Wisconsin?
Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.
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Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.
I agree that it's still early to make a final call on Keenum, but his second half tape doesn't look bad either. That deep ball to Posey on the right sideline was not too far off; it would have made everything so very different; and he was robbed on the third down conversion to AJ, too.

On another note, is there any O-lineman on the Baylor Bears squad worth keeping an eye on? Petty and Seatrunk had so much fun behind them; the next few games will be a better indication, but Seatrunk sure looks like a great back.
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Purifoy from Florida hasn't been getting the PT that his talent would suggest he should due to behavioral issues. I'm not sure exactly what is going on, but sounds to me like he has some type of attitude problem. I'm sure we will know more later in the draft process.
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Why not take the qb?
Because this draft has lots of QBs, but not one great QB. If there were a Luck-caliber guy available, you take him. That may yet turn out to be the consensus, but as of right now, no QB expected to come out gives me that vibe. So trade back, add a couple picks, and grab a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, a la Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron, etc.

Of course, if you're head over heels in love with Boyd or Bridgewater, then this scenario doesn't appeal to you. I'm not.
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Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.
I can go with that, as long as the people saying that recognize that Keenum has 2 more (or 10 more) starts down that road than whoever you want to draft.
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I agree that it's still early to make a final call on Keenum, but his second half tape doesn't look bad either. That deep ball to Posey on the right sideline was not too far off; it would have made everything so very different; and he was robbed on the third down conversion to AJ, too.

On another note, is there any O-lineman on the Baylor Bears squad worth keeping an eye on? Petty and Seatrunk had so much fun behind them; the next few games will be a better indication, but Seatrunk sure looks like a great back.
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I can go with that, as long as the people saying that recognize that Keenum has 2 more (or 10 more) starts down that road than whoever you want to draft.
Im REALLY torn on taking a QB early .... So far Keenum has looked damn good but it is early and teams are going to catch up to what he's doing - Can he adjust !?

There are several QB's coming out this year that have franchise potential .... I'd hate to miss out if Keenum isn't the answer.


Screw it , give me a dominant RT and lets roll with it.
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Im REALLY torn on taking a QB early .... So far Keenum has looked damn good but it is early and teams are going to catch up to what he's doing - Can he adjust !?

There are several QB's coming out this year that have franchise potential .... I'd hate to miss out if Keenum isn't the answer.


Screw it , give me a dominant RT and lets roll with it.
First off, you aren't going to have that answer until the end of the year. And that's a good thing, because with ten starts under his belt, you'll have a much better idea whether or not he has the potential to be a franchise QB. Second, I just don't see any of these guys jumping off the page and screaming first round to me. I know a couple of them will get taken in the first round just because the position is so critical, but I feel like you can get a guy in the 3rd round that has just as much potential as a guy you'd get in the 1st round, for just this draft. The combine will come along and change the equation, I'm sure, but so will Keenum's play. So there's a lot to shake out yet.
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Because this draft has lots of QBs, but not one great QB. If there were a Luck-caliber guy available, you take him. That may yet turn out to be the consensus, but as of right now, no QB expected to come out gives me that vibe. So trade back, add a couple picks, and grab a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, a la Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron, etc.

Of course, if you're head over heels in love with Boyd or Bridgewater, then this scenario doesn't appeal to you. I'm not.
its not like luck is burning the world down. He's struggling just like all the other young qb in the 3rd yr or less. If there is a qb you feel has the upside of a top qb,then you take him. I'm pretty sure no one thought the uber productive rodger would be rodgers. Just because you draft a guy early doesn't mean you have to play him right away. If the guy needs seasoning,so be it,but that's not a reason to pass because you may not have the chance again. Remember the giants were 5-2 before eli took over. Tommy maddox had just put up all time numbers for pittsburgh the year they took big ben. They didn't pass either of those because they didn't see the next peyton,they deemed them franchise caliber qbs regardless of the holdover. If they grade hundley,boyd,or whomever franchise caliber when they're availible,you gotta take them.
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I'd take him and throw that ZBS in the trash can . Well maybe every once in awhile run it as a change of pace .

Other guys I'd want are ,

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He is dam good too. Put him at left guard and we are set for the next ten years. Unfortunately He might go in the first round.
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Tommy maddox had just put up all time numbers for pittsburgh the year they took big ben.
All time what numbers? - crap. Maddox was 33 years old and had a horrible 2003 - 57.4% comp. 3414 yds, 18 TDs, 17 INTs, 6.6 ypa, 75.3 QB rating.
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Why not take the qb?
Because I like case and really I don't know if I trust any of these qb's to be franchise guys that I'd take top 5.

Plus the team has tons of holes they need to fill. Too bad they are so slow to recognize issues and make their fair share of questionable roster choices otherwise the team might be more well rounded.
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All time what numbers? - crap. Maddox was 33 years old and had a horrible 2003 - 57.4% comp. 3414 yds, 18 TDs, 17 INTs, 6.6 ypa, 75.3 QB rating.
He came back after selling insurance and had a good year . I think he's the guy the Texans picked off several times for TDs and the Texans beat the Steelers with only having 100 yards offense .

The road is littered with Kelvin Cato type signings at QB . I think Case is different because his mental game is his strong suit . I think you can steal a good QB prospect this year in the 3rd to go along with Keenum .
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