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Old 11-04-2013   #121
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Bullock's money is gone either way and so irrelevant. The only increased cost for Kickalicious for instance is half a minimum salary. $250k is guat. That is well worthwhile to evaluate a young player to come in and see if he can be the long term solution just like with Keenum and the other young players you mentioned.
Most contracts in the NFL will have the base salary for the year guaranteed if the player is on the team week 1 of that season and hadn't been cut previously. This doesn't apply to 3rd stringers and UDFAs though. A kicker you drafted in the 5th round that is expected to start likely has his salary guaranteed. So you're throwing away about 250k to sign someone else. These things do add up over time.

I find it hard to believe that there is a franchise kicker just waiting out there for someone to give him a chance. If the dude was that good, he would probably have had a chance to get a job by now. But sure, why not give him a chance. It's not like we need cap space with Rick at the helm of the ship.
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Most contracts in the NFL will have the base salary for the year guaranteed if the player is on the team week 1 of that season and hadn't been cut previously. This doesn't apply to 3rd stringers and UDFAs though. A kicker you drafted in the 5th round that is expected to start likely has his salary guaranteed. So you're throwing away about 250k to sign someone else. These things do add up over time.
The week 1 guarantee is a league rule for vets, I believe with 4 years. Spotrac and Rotoworld have no mention of any guaranteed money other than his signing bonus.
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That's not how the cap works. The team has a maximum of 53 players on it, and they count towards your cap space. IR players, dead money from cut players and your practice squad count too. A lot of the players' annual salaries are guaranteed for the year once the season starts, which is why cutting guys can cost more money. The team spent about 1.5 million when it cut Keo the first time, because his rookie contract had that guaranteed money on it. Bullock is going to be the same way, and then instead of just continuing to pay him his 500k or whatever it is, you'll be hiring another guy to spend another 250k on for the rest of the season. That money could otherwise be rolled over to next year and spent on a team that has a chance of winning something.

Also, hanging on to Bullock and cutting him next year gives the team the option of making him a June 1st cut, and spreading out the caphit if needed.
While I understand what you're saying, I just cant stand the thought of having to watch fat Randy blowing games for the rest of the season.
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While I understand what you're saying, I just cant stand the thought of having to watch fat Randy blowing games for the rest of the season.
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Unless we're running for King of all Fools, we have to be looking for a kicker now that it's too late. Didn't I tell them long ago to replace that loser before it cost a game?
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Neil Rackers, Shayne Graham and Justin Medlock are coming to Methodist Training Center to kick for the Texans during this tryout. It doesn’t mean Bullock will lost his job, but it does mean he’s being put on notice for his inconsistent performance.
Lets bring back Rackers and let him double as a LB. Dude could put the hammer down when he played here. He couldn't be much worse than Brooks Reed in pass coverage.

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Rackers, Graham....I get it. Save a few coins, probably still some Jerseys with their name on it laying around the facility.
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Rackers, Graham....I get it. Save a few coins, probably still some Jerseys with their name on it laying around the facility.
Maybe just iron a swoosh over the Reebok logo, LOL!
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...have to be looking for a kicker now that it's too late...
We used to call this closing the barn door after the horse got out.
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Most contracts in the NFL will have the base salary for the year guaranteed if the player is on the team week 1 of that season and hadn't been cut previously. This doesn't apply to 3rd stringers and UDFAs though. A kicker you drafted in the 5th round that is expected to start likely has his salary guaranteed. So you're throwing away about 250k to sign someone else. These things do add up over time.

I find it hard to believe that there is a franchise kicker just waiting out there for someone to give him a chance. If the dude was that good, he would probably have had a chance to get a job by now. But sure, why not give him a chance. It's not like we need cap space with Rick at the helm of the ship.
I doubt there is. I don't however doubt that there is a kicker who is more reliable than Randy Bullock waiting out there for someone to give him a chance. That seems almost a certainty to me at this point.

The guy has missed 8 FG's in half a season. I think you would have to be trying not to find another guy who can do better than that.
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Lets bring back Rackers and let him double as a LB. Dude could put the hammer down when he played here. He couldn't be much worse than Brooks Reed in pass coverage.

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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

Well this is really as good of a time as any to look for a kicker. If the Texans find an accurate one, it will give them a much better chance to go 7-9 for the season. (It will take more than a new kicker to win the games against the Patriots, Broncos and @Colts)
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While I understand what you're saying, I just cant stand the thought of having to watch fat Randy blowing games for the rest of the season.
I agree completely. The mentality of playing for better draft position (i.e. sucking on purpose) is so lame that it disgusts me. Who gives a crap about a May draft in freakin' November, even if the team is playing way below average.

You don't send a message to guys like JJ Watt and Andre Johnson that we are sticking with status quo to save a few bucks and hope for next season. That's the mentality of perpetually crap teams like the Jaguars.
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I agree completely. The mentality of playing for better draft position (i.e. sucking on purpose) is so lame that it disgusts me. Who gives a crap about a May draft in freakin' November, even if the team is playing way below average.

You don't send a message to guys like JJ Watt and Andre Johnson that we are sticking with status quo to save a few bucks and hope for next season. That's the mentality of perpetually crap teams like the Jaguars.
Yeah, it's so very hard to do and even when in the back of your mind you know that there's more to be gained by your team losing a game it's still tough to not want them to win.

In 2005 it got bad enough for me to want them to "win" the first overall pick. I remember posting a comment about how I'd become perhaps the most loathed of all NFL fans. That season was nothing like this one. There was no silver lining. There was nothing positive about that team. It was so far down the rabbit hole that this year is a great success as-is compared to that one. If we go 2-14 this year and have production like we had Sunday night out of Keenum and AJ then we're still not the empty cupboard that was the 2005 Texans. We have great players on this team and more guys with bright futures than guys headed for the scrap heap I think.

I can't want these guys to lose. I just can't do it this time. 10-6 until it's become impossible. Then it's 9-7 all the way baby! I don't care about playoffs now. that's done. It's time to forge us some character. There are talented men on our team who have experienced some success. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Maybe they need to be reminded just how much losing sucks.
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I agree completely. The mentality of playing for better draft position (i.e. sucking on purpose) is so lame that it disgusts me. Who gives a crap about a May draft in freakin' November, even if the team is playing way below average.

You don't send a message to guys like JJ Watt and Andre Johnson that we are sticking with status quo to save a few bucks and hope for next season. That's the mentality of perpetually crap teams like the Jaguars.
It worked for the Colts...

I think it's more about having a plan in place and the right people to see it through. I want to see change from the top down next year, and I think the only way that happens is if it appears to McNair that we are no longer "on the right track." A 2-4 win season should send that message, a 6-8 win season will not as we have seen in the past.

So no, I'm not advocating that we simply tank for draft position, I am suggesting we tank for better coaching. Any idiot can see our kicker sucks and that he doesn't belong in the NFL. This should have been obvious to management after the second game of the season, buuuuut it wasn't for Smithiak. Now here we are in the midst of another dead-end season. So let's fix the real problem, which is not Randy Bullock or Ed Reed, it's management, and it has got to change. Keep Randy in the lineup, let him make 60% of his FGs, let Ed Reed give up 30 yards of penalties a game, let Newton pretend he's an NYC subway turnstile, and on their collective backs we will ride our way to new coaches that can take this talented team to new heights!
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It worked for the Colts...

I think it's more about having a plan in place and the right people to see it through. I want to see change from the top down next year, and I think the only way that happens is if it appears to McNair that we are no longer "on the right track." A 2-4 win season should send that message, a 6-8 win season will not as we have seen in the past.

So no, I'm not advocating that we simply tank for draft position, I am suggesting we tank for better coaching. Any idiot can see our kicker sucks and that he doesn't belong in the NFL. This should have been obvious to management after the second game of the season, buuuuut it wasn't for Smithiak. Now here we are in the midst of another dead-end season. So let's fix the real problem, which is not Randy Bullock or Ed Reed, it's management, and it has got to change. Keep Randy in the lineup, let him make 60% of his FGs, let Ed Reed give up 30 yards of penalties a game, let Newton pretend he's an NYC subway turnstile, and on their collective backs we will ride our way to new coaches that can take this talented team to new heights!
so Randy is actually helping Texans reach their goals by missing FG after FG? very interesting
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so Randy is actually helping Texans reach their goals by missing FG after FG? very interesting
Pretty much. Where exactly do you think this team is going this year? 8-8? Is that a successful season to you? Are people really ready to go back to the early years of Kubiak when we were so close to the playoffs, but just not quite good enough to make it? Cause that's what this team is right now, but I think it's pretty clear the coaching and talent evaluations are severely inadequate. When a 3rd string UDFA is playing head and shoulders above your 14 million dollar QB, something is seriously wrong. Can you imagine what this team would be like if we had put some resources into finding a QB years ago instead of plodding along with Schaub? It's pathetic we have been stuck with this for so long. It's time to cut the cord and clean house, get a fresh start with a new coach and GM.
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You mean the same Colts that had an NFL Championship trophy in 2006, two Super Bowl appearances, and 9 straight playoff seasons from 2002-2010? The same team that fell apart when their Hall of Fame QB went down?

C'mon, man, that's a specious argument at best.

Regardless of what happens this season, McNair is not going to fire Kubiak. Especially now after the medical emergency.

People are constantly talking about the Texans meltdown going back to last season. So the logic is that last season's performance can directly impact the next season.

So let's reverse that logic: wouldn't it be best for the team to finish strong this season so there is positive momentum going into the off-season?

I think sending a message for the team to blatantly suck will send the wrong vibe into off-season. It's a defeatist attitude, and there is certainly no guarantees about draft picks.

And remember the "Suck for Luck" mentality was from fans, not the team.

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