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Old 11-04-2013   #81
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Except for the fact that, you know, those that have played pro football - both as players, coaches, and both - are coming out against Incognito's actions and behavior.

So what are you going to say to those guys? Especially since your zero experience in a pro locker room means your opinions are worthless....according to your own illogical perspective...
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This is a joke, suspend an honest player for a drug addict and a player that tried to kill himself three times. Complete ****in utter BS and this team is just covering their ass. What a friggin joke. Strange only coments are from Zuckerman and not Martin himself. Irleand and Philbin should be ashamed of themselves, this is a ****in joke. Suspend a pro bowl player for a player that does not even belong in the NFL. FUKIN JOKE its all going to come out in the wash and Ireland should be ****in hung because he , philbin and everyone else knew Martin did drugs and attempted suicide three times. But hey, the regular people will never hear that right ? ****IN JOKE FOLKS, ****IN JOKE
While this is NOT something I broadcast, this butthole has forced me out of the closet. In 1998 I found everything to be utterly black. I'd given up all hope and tried to remove myself from the face of the earth. I LITERALLY could see no reason to live. I hope neither Mr. Ignognito nor his microscopic DCIK of a dad never know what that's like, but it's nice to know that he's of the opinion that anyone who isn't him or his son should be lying dead somewhere. I pitty this imbecile and his a-hole son. If karma does exist I hope they both encounter someone who treats them the way they treat the world.
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While this is NOT something I broadcast, this butthole has forced me out of the closet. In 1998 I found everything to be utterly black. I'd given up all hope and tried to remove myself from the face of the earth. I LITERALLY could see no reason to live. I hope neither Mr. Ignognito nor his microscopic DCIK of a dad never know what that's like, but it's nice to know that he's of the opinion that anyone who isn't him or his son should be lying dead somewhere. I pitty this imbecile and his a-hole son. If karma does exist I hope they both encounter someone who treats them the way they treat the world.
Dread,

Glad to hear that you were able to find your way out of the darkness. A lot of people have had trouble with anxiety/depression. I have had periods of anxiety, as have a lot of my friends. In fact, I was just telling a buddy yesterday about the one time I had a panic attack. (I had been laid off from my job, and the bank was being difficult about restructuring my mortgage).

I openly advocate that people should see a psychologist or psycharist if they are feeling down. There is no shame in it, and it can be helpful.

Remember when Ron Artest won the title with the Lakers a few years back? He thanked his therapist. He'd been dealing with a lot of issues for years, and said having a therapist helped him.

The Incognito's are trash. Pure and simple.
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Battle of the message board dads .

idrd1994 vs QB75

As far as playing football goes , I played some . I've seen some hazing and it was egged on by the coaches sometimes . The freshman vs the juniors was always a fight . We used to box against them with two mouth pieces between 50 guys . What did this accomplish , nothing .

In my opinion Icognito knows Martin won't fight back . Unfortunately for Martin the only cure for Richie is breaking a chair over his head . Then it's not worth his while . On a side note has Richie been on a winning team ?
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Seems to clearly be Richie's daddy posting this stuff:

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This is a joke, suspend an honest player for a drug addict and a player that tried to kill himself three times. Complete ****in utter BS and this team is just covering their ass. What a friggin joke. Strange only coments are from Zuckerman and not Martin himself. Irleand and Philbin should be ashamed of themselves, this is a ****in joke. Suspend a pro bowl player for a player that does not even belong in the NFL. FUKIN JOKE its all going to come out in the wash and Ireland should be ****in hung because he , philbin and everyone else knew Martin did drugs and attempted suicide three times. But hey, the regular people will never hear that right ? ****IN JOKE FOLKS, ****IN JOKE.
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Incognito will look good in a Jets uniform beating the piss out of our defensive line in a few weeks. Watch, learn , and we will have ? Jonahtan Martin, draft bust, drug addict and on suicide watch, what a team. LMFAO.
First, it's funny how Daddy Incognito's arrows strike his own son, as well.
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Arriving in the 2005 NFL draft with a history of off-the-field issues and a serious knee injury that pushed him from possible first-rounder to the third, Incognito’s time in St. Louis was certainly tumultuous. That’s a categorization Incognito wouldn’t deny.

A self described “big kid” when he was in St. Louis, Incognito simply refused to grow up and do what was necessary to be a professional. Off the field, he liked to party and alcohol and drugs were part of his regular diet. On the field, he had little control of his temper. Incognito was out of control.

"I mean, we'd have practice the next morning, and I'm out until all hours of the night, running the town," Incognito told NFL.com over the summer. "Drinking. Doing drugs. I was doing everything that a professional athlete should not be doing."
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While this is NOT something I broadcast, this butthole has forced me out of the closet. In 1998 I found everything to be utterly black. I'd given up all hope and tried to remove myself from the face of the earth. I LITERALLY could see no reason to live. I hope neither Mr. Ignognito nor his microscopic DCIK of a dad never know what that's like, but it's nice to know that he's of the opinion that anyone who isn't him or his son should be lying dead somewhere. I pitty this imbecile and his a-hole son. If karma does exist I hope they both encounter someone who treats them the way they treat the world.
But much more importantly I'm very glad you did not, Dread, as this world needs more people like you in it.

I see suicides wayyy to often -- just lost another friend Friday -- and what's left behind lasts longer than you can imagine.
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Dread,

Glad to hear that you were able to find your way out of the darkness. A lot of people have had trouble with anxiety/depression. I have had periods of anxiety, as have a lot of my friends. In fact, I was just telling a buddy yesterday about the one time I had a panic attack. (I had been laid off from my job, and the bank was being difficult about restructuring my mortgage).

I openly advocate that people should see a psychologist or psycharist if they are feeling down. There is no shame in it, and it can be helpful.

Remember when Ron Artest won the title with the Lakers a few years back? He thanked his therapist. He'd been dealing with a lot of issues for years, and said having a therapist helped him.

The Incognito's are trash. Pure and simple.
The things which helped me (and it took YEARS) were:

a. My mom

b. My REAL friends

c. reconnecting to my faith

d. Finding interest to give me some vent for anything negative.

e. Finding OTHER people who've been to that horrible place and lived to tell of it and talking to them.



People like Incognito's dad have no idea how blessed their existence has been if they can treat something that serious as some character flaw to be stigmatized.
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First, it's funny how Daddy Incognito's arrows strike his own son, as well.




But much more importantly I'm very glad you did not, Dread, as this world needs more people like you in it.

I see suicides wayyy to often -- just lost another friend Friday -- and what's left behind lasts longer than you can imagine.
Thank you. Truthfully if I hear of someone in that place I try to talk them in. It's like being in a dark soundproof tunnel. You can't hear ANYTHING anyone is trying to say to youand think that NOONE can possibly understand you. It all seems really surreal and when you reach the darkest point you stop caring about EVERYTHING. The last thing you stop caring about is yourself. That point of no return is someplace I wouldn't wish on ANYONE INCLUDING my worst enemy...and I HATE that muff-hugga
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While this is NOT something I broadcast, this butthole has forced me out of the closet. In 1998 I found everything to be utterly black. I'd given up all hope and tried to remove myself from the face of the earth. I LITERALLY could see no reason to live. I hope neither Mr. Ignognito nor his microscopic DCIK of a dad never know what that's like, but it's nice to know that he's of the opinion that anyone who isn't him or his son should be lying dead somewhere. I pitty this imbecile and his a-hole son. If karma does exist I hope they both encounter someone who treats them the way they treat the world.
Dread, I have been there, and am still crawling out. It really is a black hole, or quicksand. I so frigging appreciate knowing many have been down this road. It sucks.
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My understanding is "conduct unbecoming" will be invoked, which means no pay I think?

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Little Richie sounds like he has some serious mental problems.
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Former Colts GM Bill Polian echoed similar sentiments on SportsCenter Monday. Polian said Indianapolis had "a very strong anti-hazing and anti-bullying policy" when he and Dungy ran the team and that the policy was "enforced" by leaders in the locker room.

This is something the Dolphins clearly don't have. It's always easier to criticize in hindsight, but it's quite clear something went seriously amiss while Miami was building their locker-room culture.
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I couldn't imagine this situation existing here in Houston or in other top rated NFL organizations when it comes to player personnel relations, but sometimes the crap does slip thru the cracks. For example we all know that NE owner Bob Kraft with Belichick at the helm got stuck with a player charged with homicide, and that happened even after they re-upped him with a very generous, new contract extension.
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Another win for Jeff "Is your Mother a Prostitute?" Ireland
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There is a reason I only talk about a few issues in the NSZ. I don't know enough to speak intelligently about a lot about many of the things discussed there. To me this isn't even something that should be up for debate. I pray for Martin's well being and hope Incognito gets hit by a bus. Yeah I said it!
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dunno if this has been posted but here he is at a bar with teammates

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Beneath the disgusting details of threats and taunts and racism lies an uncomfortable truth: The NFL needs Richie Incognito more than it needs Jonathan Martin.

Coaches love players like Incognito. They look at guys like Martin, known as soft-spoken and thoughtful while at Stanford, with skepticism. Does he have the killer instinct? Does he care enough? Those questions don't apply to Incognito. Coaches might not want to see him after hours, but they love him on the field. He's indispensable, a tone-setter, the guy who announces your team's presence with a crazed, through-the-whistle style that is prized at every level.

Coaches chuckle among themselves: He might be a horrible human being, but he's our horrible human being. Sociopathic behavior from players at certain positions is not only tolerated but cherished. As long as it stays out of the headlines and the police blotters -- in other words, as long as it's kept in-house -- it provides the kind of toughness you need to compete.

Yes, this is America's game.

Own it. Even now, even after the extent of Incognito's viciousness has been revealed through voice mails and texts to Martin, there are NFL personnel people telling reporters, like Sports Illustrated's Jim Trotter, that it's a man's game and Martin failed to handle it like a man. According to these unnamed men, Martin should have manned up and handled the situation face-to-face, with his fists if necessary.

You know -- like a man.

Seriously, though, did these men's men read the things Incognito reportedly said to Martin? Don't we encourage people not to deal with the deranged, to let the professionals handle it? Does anyone believe Incognito would be cowed by a confrontation?

To blame Martin is to ignore reality and uphold the twisted norms of the misguided subculture that allowed this type of environment to persist and -- dare we say -- thrive. It's also a willful refusal to connect the threat of violence to the reality of our gun-soaked, disrespect-me-and-pay-the-price ethos that has people like Aaron Hernandez sitting in jail.

Martin should be praised for walking away and letting the Dolphins sit amid the fetid steam of Incognito's behavior. Speaking of Martin, Bart Scott told Stephen A. Smith and Ryan Ruocco on ESPN New York, "Thank God he walked away. They've got to be thankful he didn't bring a gun to work."

It's soul-crushing to see how many situations in football cause people to break out the "wussification of America" card, as if being swindled and harassed and threatened is just part of the NFL workplace, the price you pay for having a job that too many American males look upon as the pinnacle of human achievement. If you can't hack having your mother threatened and your race demeaned and your well being threatened, you know, move aside for someone who can.
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How do you know some of the players within Igcognito's crew weren't black? Stupid comes in all colors.

You think Martin is weak. That's your opinion. I think Martin is much, much smarter than Igcognito. Instead of punching him in the face - which is what you wanted Martin to do - Martin simply saved texts and emails.

Martin lost a lot of battles, but, guess who is going to win the war?
This is true

And be cut before the start of next season if the Lawyers will let the Dolphins cut him. Martin has been soft and played terrible this yr. He was being counted on to be the Dolphins LT for the next 10 yrs. He couldn't handle those responsibilities and was weak minded.

This story gets the fans mind off of his terrible play and focuses on his feelings, which was his goal in all of this. Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up and help the team. Did he go too far and use despicable behavior? Yes.

But apparently most of the Dolphins OL mates agrred with Incognito and backed him up. The Dolphins coaches must have agreed with Incognito also because they didn't stop it. This means that Martin wont be long for Miami.

Martin's biggest knock coming out of college was that he wasn't physical enough. Sounds like Martin will be Gary's RT of the future. I'm sure he will fit in quite well with Newton.

BTW, this is why it will be a long time before an openly gay player will be welcomed on a team. Teams look to avoid stuff like this like the plague. If you were to ask Ireland if he's glad that he drafted Martin or if he wishes he would've passed on Martin and Ireland was honest, I garuntee you Martin wouldn't be a Dolphin today.

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Default Re: T Johnathan Martin headed for NFI list, may never return to the Dolphins

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Here's what I really think besides thoroughly enjoying it when everyone gets all pizzed-off at me for expressing my opinion:
those who've never played football are about as qualified to offer their opinions about intra team chemistry on a football team as those who have never been in the service are qualified to offer perceptive insights to the pros & cons of women in combat units as men are qualified to offer thoughtful insight & comments about the experiences of discomfort and pain that women suffer during childbirth.
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And be cut before the start of next season if the Lawyers will let the Dolphins cut him. Martin has been soft and played terrible this yr. He was being counted on to be the Dolphins LT for the next 10 yrs. He couldn't handle those responsibilities and was weak minded.

This story gets the fans mind off of his terrible play and focuses on his feelings, which was his goal in all of this. Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up and help the team. Did he go too far and use despicable behavior? Yes.

But apparently most of the Dolphins OL mates agrred with Incognito and backed him up. The Dolphins coaches must have agreed with Incognito also because they didn't stop it. This means that Martin wont be long for Miami.

Martin's biggest knock coming out of college was that he wasn't physical enough. Sounds like Martin will be Gary's RT of the future. I'm sure he will fit in quite well with Newton.

BTW, this is why it will be a long time before an openly gay player will be welcomed on a team. Teams look to avoid stuff like this like the plague. If you were to ask Ireland if he's glad that he drafted Martin or if he wishes he would've passed on Martin and Ireland was honest, I garuntee you Martin wouldn't be a Dolphin today.
Wow.

Thinking like this is why Martin will likely get a massive liability settlement from the Dolphins.

So, "toughening him up" means using the n-word, and threatening to kill him? Extorting money from him?

And, his terrible play likely would have gotten him eventually cut. If he couldn't hack it, or wasn't physical enough, the system would have weeded him out.

Mario was labeled soft coming out of college, and I don't think any Texans players or staff harassed him to this level. At least, we haven't heard about it.

The Dolphins could have simply benched him and then released him at the end of the season.

Would you have preferred Martin bring in a gun and go ballistic and kill people? Would that have made him "tough" enough?


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Incognito was trying to toughen Martin up and help the team.
yea, the voicemail messages and the texts and the racial slurs and the fines and suspensions were all just some clever farce. He was channeling his Prince Hal mischief so that he might emerge a heroic Henry V.

Is that about it?

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But apparently most of the Dolphins OL mates agrred with Incognito and backed him up. The Dolphins coaches must have agreed with Incognito also because they didn't stop it. This means that Martin wont be long for Miami.
No. There's nothing "apparently" about any of this. This is you making a scenario fit what it must for the rest of your narrative to cohere and calling it the logical conclusion.

It's sorta impressive how certain you and IDEXAN are in your conclusions with how little you actually know.

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I garuntee you Martin wouldn't be a Dolphin today.
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