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Old 11-04-2013   #101
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I really hope that all of you typical sunshiners are happy after this game. Yeah, this kicker really turned things around this season. He has only just blown two games now where he missed like 7 FG's between both losses. Just ignore the glaring problems and expect them to get better just because. Good god this reminds me of the 9-7 season where everyone kept talking about both Browns turning things around just because as well. Same fans defending the same failures.
I think they've almost reached the end of their sunshine supply.
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I think they've almost reached the end of their sunshine supply.
No, they'll probably twist things around as usual and say that this is hind sight posting when the signs were there all along. I've sen it for years. Just like Kubiak doesn't want to ever admit that he's been wrong about his coddling issues of certain players, fans don't ever want to admit it when they've been wrong about the evaluation of their coach's decisions.

Problem is that we're in year 8 of this train wreck at this point.
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

We could sign a guy off the street today & I guarantee you he'll miss a kick sometime in the future.

But since it's going to be difficult to find a guy who can shank 3 out of 4... I'm with you Tex. We tried the nice guy route, time for a little tough love. Best thing for Mr. Bullock right now would be to make him go get a real job.
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

This guy (Bullock) was hand picked by Joe Marciano. He's untouchable!
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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

Boy, a lot of the sunshiners sure are quiet in this thread now. When it first started though, a lot of people sure did feel pretty strongly that the coaching staff knew exactly what they were doing.

Same thing was said about Brown when we missed the playoffs that other season.
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Boy, a lot of the sunshiners sure are quiet in this thread now. When it first started though, a lot of people sure did feel pretty strongly that the coaching staff knew exactly what they were doing.

Same thing was said about Brown when we missed the playoffs that other season.
Yeah, I'm ready to look another one now after that crap last night. He has clearly lost confidence.

But you just watch. There was after all, a reason why they drafted him. If they cut him, and he goes to another team, it'll 10 freaking years before he misses another kick, and it'll probably be the Colts who will pick him up.
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And 9 points last night in a game we lost by 3.

Can't argue with the truth.

Hopefully we will tryout/sign a new kicker Tuesday.

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Default Re: Why aren't we trying to find a kicker?

head coach is an Aggie...kicker is an Aggie. Maroon runs deeper than blood.
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This worked once, WTH, please sign this guy and give him a chance! Bring kickalicious in the fold!
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Default Re: In support of Håvard Rugland...

What's the point? I know people are pissed, but wasting money by cutting Bullock and spending even more on someone else will do nothing to help the future Texans succeed. We are 2-6 and have no shot at the division or playoffs right now. What's the difference between losing with a kicker that is already paid for, and spending money to get a new guy? Honestly, we are better off losing with Bullock than winning with some street free agent. At least this way we improve our draft position and don't waste future capspace.

I say, keep the roster in tact for now, figure out what you have in younger guys like Keenum, Posey, Martin, Brooks, Bouye, Pleasant, etc and gear up for the draft and next year. Let the next regime cut the bad players, and pick their own guys going forward. The best thing our team can do for the future is keep capspace open, and getting another kicker won't help with that.
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What's the point? I know people are pissed, but wasting money by cutting Bullock and spending even more on someone else will do nothing to help the future Texans succeed. We are 2-6 and have no shot at the division or playoffs right now. What's the difference between losing with a kicker that is already paid for, and spending money to get a new guy? Honestly, we are better off losing with Bullock than winning with some street free agent. At least this way we improve our draft position and don't waste future capspace.

I say, keep the roster in tact for now, figure out what you have in younger guys like Keenum, Posey, Martin, Brooks, Bouye, Pleasant, etc and gear up for the draft and next year. Let the next regime cut the bad players, and pick their own guys going forward. The best thing our team can do for the future is keep capspace open, and getting another kicker won't help with that.
I don't think hiring a new guy at league minimum would affect cap space at all, as it is only the top 49 or so contracts that count towards the cap. The guys that want to hire Kickalicious and give him a tryout like they are doing with Keenum just want to hopefully try and find another pearl that would make next years shopping list 1 less.
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I don't think hiring a new guy at league minimum would affect cap space at all, as it is only the top 49 or so contracts that count towards the cap. The guys that want to hire Kickalicious and give him a tryout like they are doing with Keenum just want to hopefully try and find another pearl that would make next years shopping list 1 less.
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I don't think hiring a new guy at league minimum would affect cap space at all, as it is only the top 49 or so contracts that count towards the cap. The guys that want to hire Kickalicious and give him a tryout like they are doing with Keenum just want to hopefully try and find another pearl that would make next years shopping list 1 less.
That's not how the cap works. The team has a maximum of 53 players on it, and they count towards your cap space. IR players, dead money from cut players and your practice squad count too. A lot of the players' annual salaries are guaranteed for the year once the season starts, which is why cutting guys can cost more money. The team spent about 1.5 million when it cut Keo the first time, because his rookie contract had that guaranteed money on it. Bullock is going to be the same way, and then instead of just continuing to pay him his 500k or whatever it is, you'll be hiring another guy to spend another 250k on for the rest of the season. That money could otherwise be rolled over to next year and spent on a team that has a chance of winning something.

Also, hanging on to Bullock and cutting him next year gives the team the option of making him a June 1st cut, and spreading out the caphit if needed.
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Bullock's signing bonus is a mere $178K, a quarter of which is already in the book. The dead money incurred by cutting him is only 3/4*178K; very little.

Half of his base salary of $390K is already in the book at the rookie minimum value; I doubt that the other half is guaranteed for skill since he's a rookie, not a vested veteran.
(It would be very ironic if his salary is guaranteed for skill, LOL.)

Signing another rookie shouldn't cost the Texans anymore than that little chunk of signing bonus yet to be recorded in the book.

Signing a veteran would cost more; how much depends on the number of years they've been in the league. For half a season, it should be only about $400-500K (instead of the $195K remaining on Bullock's contract value of $390K).

If the Texans are serious about winning, the money is not that big of a deal.
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Also, hanging on to Bullock and cutting him next year gives the team the option of making him a June 1st cut, and spreading out the caphit if needed.
Bullock's money is gone either way and so irrelevant. The only increased cost for Kickalicious for instance is half a minimum salary. $250k is guat. That is well worthwhile to evaluate a young player to come in and see if he can be the long term solution just like with Keenum and the other young players you mentioned.
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How many June 1st cuts can we have? I thought you could only designate 2 before June 1.
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Two.

And Schaub should be one of them.
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