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Old 11-04-2013   #21
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Rare to see Tony Dungy speak out...

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During last night’s edition of Football Night in America on NBC, former Patriots V.P. of player personnel and Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli told Dan Patrick, ”I didn’t want [Incognito] coming out [of college], and I don’t want him now.”

Former Bucs and Colts coach Tony Dungy echoed that sentiment earlier in the hour on The Dan Patrick Show. Dungy explained that, when Incognito entered the draft in 2005, the Colts had him on the “DNDC” list, which means “do not draft because of character.”
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Is this a case of the apple not falling far from the tree?

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Is Richie Incognito's Dad Blasting Jonathan Martin On Message Boards?
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Even Dolphins fans seem somewhat fed up with Incognito, who can't seem to avoid trouble off the field and is one of the league's dirtiest players on it. But on a popular Dolphins message board, Incognito has at least one strident defender—and it might be his dad.

Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."
some of the evidence a user used to propose the possible connection:

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User "TheWalrus" decided to go back and look at idrd1994's post history, and found something interesting. idrd1994 "only talks about the offensive line, praises Jeff Darlington (who Richie 'trusted' to write the big feature on Richie) and constantly refers to Jason Smith, the legendary #2 overall draft pick bust of the Rams, who was taken when Incognito was there."

Then, more sleuthwork. TheWalrus found another post of idrd1994's where he talks about growing up in New Jersey and watching the Jets play at Shea Stadium. Richie Incognito was born in New Jersey, but after the Jets had already moved. Not too young to have seen the Jets play in Queens? Richie Incognito Sr., an active poster (under a different name) on Nebraska message boards when Richie Jr. played for the Huskers.

A Google search for "idrd1994" turns up a number of posts on RC car message boards, from a user claiming to live in Arizona—where the Incognitos moved when Richie Jr. was 11. "idrd1994" is also a profile on MyLife.com, registered under one Richie Incognito, age 63, from Glendale, Ariz.

Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinsHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.
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Seems to clearly be Richie's daddy posting this stuff:

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NFLPA IS NOT TOUCHING THIS WITH A TEN FOOT POLE. It will come out, Martin has tried to kill himself three previous times. The team is silent because they all know about it, from Ross on down to Ireland and Philbin. If anybody has seen the latest news the NFLPA has decided not to look into the case. Jonathan Martin has had mental issues since College, it will all come out int he wash gentleman, believe me.
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This is a joke, suspend an honest player for a drug addict and a player that tried to kill himself three times. Complete ****in utter BS and this team is just covering their ass. What a friggin joke. Strange only coments are from Zuckerman and not Martin himself. Irleand and Philbin should be ashamed of themselves, this is a ****in joke. Suspend a pro bowl player for a player that does not even belong in the NFL. FUKIN JOKE its all going to come out in the wash and Ireland should be ****in hung because he , philbin and everyone else knew Martin did drugs and attempted suicide three times. But hey, the regular people will never hear that right ? ****IN JOKE FOLKS, ****IN JOKE.
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Incognito will look good in a Jets uniform beating the piss out of our defensive line in a few weeks. Watch, learn , and we will have ? Jonahtan Martin, draft bust, drug addict and on suicide watch, what a team. LMFAO.
This is one classy fella. Perhaps daddy Incognito needs to be sent to the same mental ward that his son was sent to in Topeka for behavioral training? Calling out Philbin because his son committed suicide... WTF? Praying Head Coach Joe Philbin and GM Jeff Ireland die of AIDs?
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I can't believe that after these details have come out, you STILL think this is a case of being a wuss.
I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
The "I-played-football-and-you-didn't-so-I'm-right-and-you're-wrong card."

Seriously?

Most of us who have never played football know that it's brutal, and that these guys aren't sitting around having a tea party and eating cookies. This is a rough, brutal sport, and it takes a thick skin. We know that.

But, there's a line. And it appears that this Igconito guy may have crossed the line. There is a massive difference between giving rookies crazy hair cuts and making them sing songs in the cafeteria and shaking them down for $15k for vacations and $30k for meals.

Also, rookie salaries aren't what they used to be, and making them pay outrageous bills for the veterans is absurd.

We knock professional athletes for blowing all of their money, but situations like this don't help.

Also: bullying is mental. If Incognito had a crew within the locker room that ganged up on players - and if it was clear that Igcognito's crew were not to be messed with - that doesn't leave a lot of room for someone to refuse to play along.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
I'm sure Jonathan Martin has been hazed and gone through all the dude bro crap football players go through in high school and college, so he's used to it. Sounds like Incognito took it to a whole new level, which is NOT okay. Incognito has a bad rep in this league, and this is a league full of tough son-of-a-B dude bros who can both give and take some ****.

It's no longer about proving one's manhood and football prowess when someone makes it personal and makes threats or racial comments. That's way out of bounds. Just because football is a rough and tumble sport it doesn't mean that anyone should just suck it up and be a victim to someone with Incognito's obvious nasty streak.

Incognito is a dirt bag and Martin isn't a wuss because he broke down after what appears to be systematic abuse at Incognito's hands. I think Miami let things get too far, and there's a bit more there of veterans taking advanage of the younger players to foot huge dinner bills and what not. Just because the culture of hazing is there doesn't mean that when taken to its extremes it should still be accepted because it's just "part of the game." That's a cop out that just perpetuates poor behavior.
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I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
While I appreciate the gentlemanly salutation, and I think it's mighty white of you to do so, you didn't make a point at all related to the topic that seems to be at the core of this.

And that's not Martin's 'wussiness' and the insistence on pushing topics of race anticipation and the wussification of the NFL.

Your post said you peaked in an unremarkable college career. So how in the world do you understand what would be going on in a Dolphins NFL locker room? Using yourself as the referent and then arriving at a conclusion based on such a faulty premise surely leads to a faulty conclusion, no?

Instead of going after the party that appears to be a demanding, imposing bully with a track record of less-than-stellar acts on and off the field and a history of bullying others (once bullied himself) who might also be a racist - you're going after the victim and psychoanalyzing.

To what end?

The wussification of the NFL? Preemptive marginalization of a potentially legitimate issue (racism) before we even know any details?

To compare your locker room to his and your bullying experience to his strikes me as a misstep out of the posting gates, conceptually. After that, the comparison (and righteousness) just got worse. I think basing psychoanalysis using such flimsy criteria isn't the most constructive way to go about marginalizing Martin.

The entire post just looked like an end around for some strutting, chestthumping machismo that adds nothing to the thread, in tone or content. And I think it takes some measure of courage to come out the way he has. I don't think you really understand the scope and variety of bullying - I know I don't. And I've seen all sorts of types in all sorts of contexts. I don't see how anyone can label his actions as cowardly or wussy. He had a lot to risk by bringing this to light, acting as he did. I'm not going to valorize him as a hero, but I don't think he's nearly as frail or sheepish as you do.

If this gets Incognito out of the league, renders him an untouchable - I think maybe the league is better off.

I think talking about his actions and the systems that actively/passively supported it are also worth talking about. These seem to be the bigger issues.
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I'm sure Jonathan Martin has been hazed and gone through all the dude bro crap football players go through in high school and college, so he's used to it. Sounds like Incognito took it to a whole new level, which is NOT okay. Incognito has a bad rep in this league, and this is a league full of tough son-of-a-B dude bros who can both give and take some ****.

It's no longer about proving one's manhood and football prowess when someone makes it personal and makes threats or racial comments. That's way out of bounds. Just because football is a rough and tumble sport it doesn't mean that anyone should just suck it up and be a victim to someone with Incognito's obvious nasty streak.

Incognito is a dirt bag and Martin isn't a wuss because he broke down after what appears to be systematic abuse at Incognito's hands. I think Miami let things get too far, and there's a bit more there of veterans taking advanage of the younger players to foot huge dinner bills and what not. Just because the culture of hazing is there doesn't mean that when taken to its extremes it should still be accepted because it's just "part of the game." That's a cop out that just perpetuates poor behavior.
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This was extortion and a shakedown.
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It's no longer about proving one's manhood and football prowess when someone makes it personal and makes threats or racial comments. That's way out of bounds.
Frankly I'm very surprised Cooper is still on the Eagles team after his episode, so if a white player like Incognito is making explicit racial remarks, comments, threats, etc directly towards a black teammate, then I'm even more surprised the white guy is in south FLA this long, no matter how talented or how valuable he might be on the 'Phins team.
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That's what I already said some 2 hours earlier in this thread before your comment here about race. It is the RED LINE in the NFL for players, most especially for a white player. Incognito should have been gone a long, long time ago if he went racist on Martin or any other black member of the 'Phins.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.



A shake down for money or racial attacks shouldnt be allowed no matter where you work. Best for a college flame out to avoid giving career advice to a NFL pro
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While I appreciate the gentlemanly salutation, and I think it's mighty white of you to do so, you didn't make a point at all related to the topic that seems to be at the core of this.

And that's not Martin's 'wussiness' and the insistence on pushing topics of race anticipation and the wussification of the NFL.

Your post said you peaked in an unremarkable college career. So how in the world do you understand what would be going on in a Dolphins NFL locker room? Using yourself as the referent and then arriving at a conclusion based on such a faulty premise surely leads to a faulty conclusion, no?

Instead of going after the party that appears to be a demanding, imposing bully with a track record of less-than-stellar acts on and off the field and a history of bullying others (once bullied himself) who might also be a racist - you're going after the victim and psychoanalyzing.

To what end?

The wussification of the NFL? Preemptive marginalization of a potentially legitimate issue (racism) before we even know any details?

To compare your locker room to his and your bullying experience to his strikes me as a misstep out of the posting gates, conceptually. After that, the comparison (and righteousness) just got worse. I think basing psychoanalysis using such flimsy criteria isn't the most constructive way to go about marginalizing Martin.

The entire post just looked like an end around for some strutting, chestthumping machismo that adds nothing to the thread, in tone or content. And I think it takes some measure of courage to come out the way he has. I don't think you really understand the scope and variety of bullying - I know I don't. And I've seen all sorts of types in all sorts of contexts. I don't see how anyone can label his actions as cowardly or wussy. He had a lot to risk by bringing this to light, acting as he did. I'm not going to valorize him as a hero, but I don't think he's nearly as frail or sheepish as you do.

If this gets Incognito out of the league, renders him an untouchable - I think maybe the league is better off.

I think talking about his actions and the systems that actively/passively supported it are also worth talking about. These seem to be the bigger issues.




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Ninja shoulda broke Incognito's ankle when he had the chance.


Incognito= Romanowski 2.0
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Old 11-04-2013   #34
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A shake down for money or racial attacks shouldnt be allowed no matter where you work. Best for a college flame out to avoid giving career advice to a NFL pro
Agree.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, extortion does not have to have follow-through in order for it to be illegal. In other words, I think the mere threat of harm if a person does not comply is illegal.

So, someone saying, "If you don't put up $15k for us to travel to Las Vegas, you will regret it," would be considered illegal. The threat itself is illegal.
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But, there's a line. And it appears that this Igconito guy may have crossed the line. There is a massive difference between giving rookies crazy hair cuts and making them sing songs in the cafeteria and shaking them down for $15k for vacations and $30k for meals.
Do you honestly buy that about the shakedown baloney ? If it was in fact true, if we are really talking here about bribery or blackmail, then Martin should have called the Law. Right ?
Incognio has been in the league for some 10 years, and Martin is probably the umptenth younger player he's jacked around with, but just the first to succumb to the will of an intimidator like Incognito. You know bullys are predators, they look for the most vulnerable among them and when they find him they don't relent until the victim stands his ground.
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I'm gonna have to do this Jen, I don't want to, but I must to make my point.
I'm guessing you've never played football ? OK, well I have, both in high school and in college, though I assure my collegiate football experience was very unremarkable and the scholastic end of it not much better. But while playing in HS and college, I can't tell you how many incidents I've seen of bullying, varying degrees to be sure. And actually a couple of them were pretty flagrant, pretty nasty situations in other words. It's part of the territory, it's a very, very physical sport played by some really tough guys, certainly at the NFL level. And it's also tough mentally and psychologically because much of it is about being the most macho person in the contest, winning whichever mano-a-mano contest a player might be involved in that's always playing out on the field be it CB vs WR, OT vs edge-rusher, OC vs NT, TE vs LB, etc. In other words, a guy has to have a certain mentality or psyche along with athletic talent, or he's not got what it takes for serious football, certainly not pro ball. And seminars or sensitive training or whatever aren't gonna correct the situation, not for the bully or his victim. Best solution would be to change occupations to office work, or something, anything that's civilized because pro football isn't.
From my own high school experience, guys like Cooper and Incognitio would get a 50-person boot party thrown for them. Bonus points if the rest of the roster tried to push a vending machine on top of them
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Do you honestly buy that about the shakedown baloney ? If it was in fact true, if we are really talking here about bribery or blackmail, then Martin should have called the Law. Right ?
Incognio has been in the league for some 10 years, and Martin is probably the umptenth younger player he's jacked around with, but just the first to succumb to the will of an intimidator like Incognito. You know bullys are predators, they look for the most vulnerable among them and when they find him they don't relent until the victim stands his ground.
1) Yes, I do believe it.

2) You're missing the point. Martin was AFRAID to call the law. Incognito and his crew probably had him terrified of his own freaking shadow. Why do you think Martin gave $15k for a group vacation for a trip he DIDN'T EVEN GO ON? Do you really think Martin decided, out of the goodness of his heart, to give $15k towards a vacation for people he didn't even like? You really think that? For him, in the moment, it was probably easier to pay these clowns off than to fight them, so he wrote a check.

You are blaming the victim and being dense.
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Seems to clearly be Richie's daddy posting this stuff:

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This is one classy fella. Perhaps daddy Incognito needs to be sent to the same mental ward that his son was sent to in Topeka for behavioral training? Calling out Philbin because his son committed suicide... WTF? Praying Head Coach Joe Philbin and GM Jeff Ireland die of AIDs?
Looks like the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree...no wonder.
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Do you honestly buy that about the shakedown baloney ? If it was in fact true, if we are really talking here about bribery or blackmail, then Martin should have called the Law. Right ?
Incognio has been in the league for some 10 years, and Martin is probably the umptenth younger player he's jacked around with, but just the first to succumb to the will of an intimidator like Incognito. You know bullys are predators, they look for the most vulnerable among them and when they find him they don't relent until the victim stands his ground.


I often give people 15k just so they can go on vacation.
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Do you honestly buy that about the shakedown baloney ? If it was in fact true, if we are really talking here about bribery or blackmail, then Martin should have called the Law. Right ?
Incognio has been in the league for some 10 years, and Martin is probably the umptenth younger player he's jacked around with, but just the first to succumb to the will of an intimidator like Incognito. You know bullys are predators, they look for the most vulnerable among them and when they find him they don't relent until the victim stands his ground.
Schefter tweets suggest Ingognito is a serious *********

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m
NFL has heard Richie Incognito's VM to Jonathan Martin. Dolphins have heard the voice mail.
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 4m
1: Richie Incognito left this VM for Jonathan Martin in April 2013: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of (expletive)...
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
2. More Incognito to Martin: "I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. (I want to) (expletive) in your (expl) mouth....
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m
3. Incognito VM to Martin: "(I'm going to) slap your (expletive) mouth. (I'm going to) slap your real mother across the face (laughter).
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 2m
4. Incognito to Martin, all on same VM in April 2013: "(Expletive) you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."
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