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Old 11-04-2013   #21
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let's say you could "IR" kubiak. would any of you entertain of the idea of keeping him on board next season as an offensive coordinator but have someone else run the ship?
No coach would settle for that kind of demotion. That would be a slap in the face to even ask him.
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Just heard something about "stroke like" symptoms on the radio.

If that is true, meet your new interim head coach Wade Phillips..

..I say we hire Dana Holgorsen as an OC at the end of the year
when he is fired from WVU (he just can't recruit for shyte..)

The guy was the true offensive genius behind Keenum at UH,
Weeden at OSU, and at Geno Smith WVU..

I watched that guy come up with some crazy stuff, and it always
seemed to work. He'd be right back with his most successful
QB here.

Prolly get him on the cheap too..

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Yeah, let's wait for the guy to leave the hospital first.
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If you wonder why sometimes I don't "follow the rules" on this board, check out some of the asinine, and tasteless posts in this thread from the "IQ-challenged" crowd. Makes me sick.
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Being 2-6, I hope some of the late arrivals, band wagoners, go cheer for some other team...
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The man is in the hospital. Let's just wait till we find out he is healthy before we dump on him some more.

Thoughts and prayers for a fast and healthy recovery.
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If you have to work yourself to death to be mediocre (if he leaves At the end of the year he is likely to have a career record below .500) it's time to find a new line of work. I hope he's okay and I don't mean to kick him when he's down but something has to give and I want it to be our kicker...not his ticker. I don't want to see him collapsing again. If he's that stressed after a bye week how does he survive the season?
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You sir are a giant sized douche bag.
Yeah...because I think it is cruel to keep running the man out there under the present circumstances...whatever.
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Default Re: Kubiak Collapses at the half

Just saw the closeup footage of Kubiak on the stretcher.
He was responsive but his eyes were completely closed.

I'm not a medical professional, but lack of facial muscle
control is usually an indicator of stroke. If he had one,
I doubt he coaches the team the rest of the year.
(rehab might take a while)

This season is cursed. Seriously..

Kubiak has actually earned my respect this year. He completely
changed his offense (in only 2 games) to take advantage
of Keenum's skills.

That is not the action of a "stubborn" or "arrogant" man --
which is what I've been hearing from sports radio and began
to believe myself..

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Just saw the closeup footage of Kubiak on the stretcher.
He was responsive but his eyes were completely closed.

I'm not a medical professional, but lack of facial muscle
control is usually an indicator of stroke. If he had one,
I doubt he coaches the team the rest of the year.
(rehab might take a while)

This season is cursed. Seriously..

Kubiak has actually earned my respect this year. He completely
changed his offense (in only 2 games) to take advantage
of Keenum's skills.

That is not the action of a "stubborn" or "arrogant" man --
which is what I've been hearing from sports radio and began
to believe myself..

TJ
Yup, and so much for his terrible playcalling, too! He's not around in the second half, and .....

I hope to God he didn't have a stroke. That would be horrible.
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I could buy into the explanation of dehydration or maybe even a panic attack, but if the sideline reporters comments were accurate about Kubiak being in pain, I've got to think we are talking about some issues with the ole ticker here.
Don't have to have a heart attack with chest pains, but the pains often relate to a heart condition of some kind. Where's Doc when we need him ?
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Just saw the closeup footage of Kubiak on the stretcher.
He was responsive but his eyes were completely closed.

I'm not a medical professional, but lack of facial muscle
control is usually an indicator of stroke. If he had one,
I doubt he coaches the team the rest of the year.
(rehab might take a while)

This season is cursed. Seriously..

Kubiak has actually earned my respect this year. He completely
changed his offense (in only 2 games) to take advantage
of Keenum's skills.

That is not the action of a "stubborn" or "arrogant" man --
which is what I've been hearing from sports radio and began
to believe myself..

TJ
I have always respected him as a man, as a Christian, and as a human being. The problem with changing the offense now to fit Keenum is the lack of other players to compliment the new offensive scheme. We need big linemen who can block and give Case time to move around and find open receivers, and time for receivers to get open ala AJ on his second TD last night. We need depth on defense, because a quick scoring offense that goes vertical will mean a defense that may spend more time on the field. They need quality players who can rotate in and be an impact no matter who is on the field. They need special teams specialists who can be counted on to perform every week.


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Sure. If say the head coaching job was offered to Kyle Shanahan from the Redskins. Somebody who's already familiar with the type of offensive schemes we already run and who can add his own wrinkles to the plate. The kid is a brilliant young mind and he probably isn't leaving his father's team unless he's given a head coaching job.

If Kubiak would feel less stress, maybe he has to do it for his health, and be okay with being demoted to the offensive coordinator job. It would basically be a role reversal of what we once had when Kyle Shanahan was here.
The offensive schemes we already run is what is wrong with this team now. The old Bronco offense of 20 years ago is just not the way of the NFL today. The zone blocking scheme that relies on smaller offensive linemen seems to struggle against the faster, bigger defensive front sevens of today. The game of football has evolved, rules have been changed to make it a passing league. Out of 32 NFL teams, how many can you say are a ground team, where running the ball to establish the pass is the norm? Watching other teams I see the opposite - the passing game opens up the run, and running backs are plugged in at will to fill the whole when another one goes down.

We don't need a head coach to come in and be Gary's boss and continue to run the same old tired offense. We need a head coach who will surround himself with good people and let them do their jobs. The head coach does not have to be the offensive or defense mind of the team. He should hire 3 really good people and let them run a specific part of the team - an offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator, and a special teams coach. He should not be so involved with one piece that he leaves the other 2 pieces to chance. He should hold these 3 coaches accountable, they should be expected to deliver a consistent product on the field, making in game adjustments as needed. The head coach should be the manager of the game, deciding when to challenge, when to go for it on 4th down, when to fake a kick, and when a man needs to pulled aside for an ass chewing for boneheaded play he needs to be there to pull him aside and lay the smack down. The head coach needs to be thinking ahead to the adjustments the team must make during the game, talking to his 3 coaches continuously on the sidelines, pointing out the mistakes being made and formulating a plan to change it. And the head coach must be a motivator, he must get the team ready to play, and keep them playing throughout the game. He must have the balls to challenge those on the team who are not performing where they should, and be willing to handle accordingly those who continue to let his teammates down.

Gary Kubiak may realize with this health scare that he can't be the head coach the way he has always tried to be. He may learn that he needs to hire good people and let them do their jobs, thus relieving the stress on himself. Time will tell.
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Maybe it was Keenum's fake spike that caused Kubes to blow a gasket. How dare this young whipper snapper call a play at the line on his own...and succeed...

AJA, I wonder if it was exhaustion that has finally caught up with Kubes? I never heard where his pain was but from one shot on the sideline, he was rubbing his head and face.

Back in college, I suffered from exhaustion, from multiple all nighters working on projects, that it felt like someone hit me in the head with a hammer and I couldn't open my eyes...
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>changing the offense now to fit Keenum is the lack of other players to
>compliment the new offensive scheme. We need big linemen who can block
>and give Case time to move around and find open receivers,

Technically, UH ran the offense they did with Keenum because they
_could not_ recruit big linemen. (conference disadvantage, competing
against UT, A&M, etc..)

The UH variation of air raid was to get the ball out quickly before
pressure had time to reach the QB, and the hurry-up gassed the pass
rushers slowing them down as the game went on.

Oddly enough, the current UH coach is now using some zone blocking
concepts (probably lifted from the Texans..) to assist the running
game this year -- as they are relying on a first year QB as well..

>We need depth on defense, because a quick scoring offense that goes
>vertical will mean a defense that may spend more time on the field. They
>need quality players who can rotate in and be an impact no matter who is
>on the field.

The year UH went 13-1 (possibly their best ever) with Keenum, the defensive
coordinator was Brian Stewart -- A Wade Phillips disciple who coached
the exact same defense at UH as the Dallas Cowboys used with Sammy Brown
playing the roll of Demarcus Ware.

>They need special teams specialists who can be counted on to perform
>every week.

I agree with many of your points. I just don't necessarily think we have
to completely change our roster for Keenum and the current offense to
succeed here..

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Just saw the closeup footage of Kubiak on the stretcher.
He was responsive but his eyes were completely closed.

I'm not a medical professional, but lack of facial muscle
control is usually an indicator of stroke. If he had one,
I doubt he coaches the team the rest of the year.
(rehab might take a while)

This season is cursed. Seriously..

Kubiak has actually earned my respect this year. He completely
changed his offense (in only 2 games) to take advantage
of Keenum's skills.
Are you kidding me? He never even pulled Schaub. Schaub was forced to go out due to injury. His stubborness is what put the team in the hole and even had Yates out there for a wasted game against the Rams where the team gave up on him. His stubbornness is why Keenum was 3rd string instead of first string in the first place. Keenum only got in there by accident. Lol! A guy having a collapse doesn't change history and what has taken place this season or last season.
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Just heard something about "stroke like" symptoms on the radio.
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Just saw the closeup footage of Kubiak on the stretcher.
He was responsive but his eyes were completely closed.

I'm not a medical professional, but lack of facial muscle
control is usually an indicator of stroke. If he had one,
I doubt he coaches the team the rest of the year.
(rehab might take a while)
There is video of Coach Kubiak's hands going to the sides of his head before going to his knees. Followed by reports of him being in extreme pain. It is also being reported he left Reliant with an excruciating headache. Early prognosis could be a stroke or brain aneurism.
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There is video of Coach Kubiak's hands going to the sides of his head before going to his knees. Followed by reports of him being in extreme pain. It is also being reported he left Reliant with an excruciating headache. Early prognosis could be a stroke or brain aneurism.
I wonder if he has a history of Migraines, I have heard of migraines being that intense to the point you cannot open your eyes...
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I think Case's play sent Gary's brain into overload from excitement.
Quick side note, anybody else see Schaub wearing his helmet all game, just hoping he goes in
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Are you kidding me? He never even pulled Schaub. Schaub was forced to go out due to injury. His stubborness is what put the team in the hole and even had Yates out there for a wasted game against the Rams where the team gave up on him. His stubbornness is why Keenum was 3rd string instead of first string in the first place. Keenum only got in there by accident. Lol! A guy having a collapse doesn't change history and what has taken place this season or last season.
I quoted and replied to this on the all encompassing fire Kubiak thread. It's a good point, but I thought this discussion was better there so the health topic didn't get derailed.
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I think Case's play sent Gary's brain into overload from excitement.
Quick side note, anybody else see Schaub wearing his helmet all game, just hoping he goes in
He was putting it on when they were offense. I suspect it was so he could listen in on the radio.
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