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Old 10-31-2013   #21
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Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.



I thought the same thing about that FSU game .... Boyd has come up big several times in pressure situations over the past couple seasons.
I really liked him and had him as the top rated Sr QB but the past few weeks have me questioning his position again.

Not sold on Mariota ....
Alot of those qbs coming out of those spread,veer systems have trouble with mechanics. When I see boyd, I see the same footwork flaws that mcnabb had. The question is, can he be coached up and become mechanically sound? If he can, I like alot of other things about boyd with some of his throws , but some of those mcnabb-ish ground balls raise a flag. Like mentioned before, not sold on mariotta and hundley looks like he needs another year of season.
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Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.

Not sold on Mariota ....
Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
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Mariota's completion percentage is under 60% which is ~10% lower than the other QB's expected to go in the top 2-3 rounds. That includes Bridgewater , Manziel , Carr , Hundley , McCarron and Murray.



I thought the same thing about that FSU game .... Boyd has come up big several times in pressure situations over the past couple seasons.
I really liked him and had him as the top rated Sr QB but the past few weeks have me questioning his position again.

Not sold on Mariota ....
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Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
Mariota's completion percentage is 64% (#33, 10/31/13)

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I've said Boyd is overrated for awhile now. Every yr Clemson comes into the season highly rated and Clemson/Boyd lay a couple of eggs. His arm is avg, he doesn't read defenses well. As I've said before if you like Boyd, you should love Manziel. I dont like either one of them in the NFL.

Although I really love watching Johnny Football in college.

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Even better if we can get Mariota in the 4th.
He likely doesn't last to the 4th overall much less the 4th round .... But I guess if you are gonna dream , dream big!

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Mariota's completion percentage is 64% (#33, 10/31/13)

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He has raised that number over the past couple weeks then .... He was at 56% two weeks ago while several of the others were over 70%.

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Alot of those qbs coming out of those spread,veer systems have trouble with mechanics. When I see boyd, I see the same footwork flaws that mcnabb had. The question is, can he be coached up and become mechanically sound? If he can, I like alot of other things about boyd with some of his throws , but some of those mcnabb-ish ground balls raise a flag. Like mentioned before, not sold on mariotta and hundley looks like he needs another year of season.
McNabb might be a fair comparison mechanically .... agree on Hundley , he needs another year.
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Steel B's QB ratings 1. Bridgewater 2. McCarron 3. Murray
I like Murray better than Bridgewater and McCarron third among those. He's had some of his best games against the best competition, and he is capable of slinging it against anyone. The NFL won't agree with me because of Murray's size, however. They are incapable of accurately evaluating talent under 6'2". I'm not overly excited about any of the prospects this year, to be honest. People keep saying it's a great QB draft, but I just don't see it.
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I like Murray better than Bridgewater and McCarron third among those. He's had some of his best games against the best competition, and he is capable of slinging it against anyone. The NFL won't agree with me because of Murray's size, however. They are incapable of accurately evaluating talent under 6'2". I'm not overly excited about any of the prospects this year, to be honest. People keep saying it's a great QB draft, but I just don't see it.
I think the QB crop has not lived up to its billing. Looking only at the three QBs you identified, Bridgewater high first, Murray mid second and McCarron top 15 third which is more valuable to Texans at those picks? I like and mock McCarron in third.
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I think the QB crop has not lived up to its billing. Looking only at the three QBs you identified, Bridgewater high first, Murray mid second and McCarron top 15 third which is more valuable to Texans at those picks? I like and mock McCarron in third.
McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
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McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
McCarron is tall, can make all of the throws, can move around the pocket well and is obviously a leader.

Manziel obviously knows who to party with. People at the top of their fields.
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McCarron looks like a 5th or later to me. He's a game manager on a great team. Good intangibles but nothing special.

Murray feels like a Kubiak pick to me for some reason. Hopefully it won't be Kubiaks decision who we draft next year.

Manzel just impresses the hell out of me on the field. However as much as he impresses me on it, he scares me off it. When asked the other day to name the three people he would like to party wight the most, his answer was tiger woods, Charlie sheen and rob gornowski (sp?).

I don't know if he was just being facetious or if he was serious. Either way shows he still has a lot of growing up to do.
When you or anyone says things like bolded, you lose credit with me. McCarron makes all the throws and is extremely consistently good. You should read the following:

"In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, manages to perform well enough to win games.[1][2] Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams. The player is expected to not lose games with interceptions, fumbles, or poor decisions, particularly during important situations near the end of a game.[3][4]
The New York Times called it a "backhanded compliment".[5] The San Francisco Chronicle wrote, "As consolation ... Quarterbacks are called game managers only if they're winning."[6] The Associated Press opined, "But like any cliche, [game manager is] oversimplified". Former Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian laughed, "Every quarterback is a game manager, it's what the job is all about."[1] College coach Nick Saban added that "I don't think you can be a good quarterback unless you're a really good game manager."

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You would defend your opinion better if you stated a negative McCarron (or any player)has then offered facts to support.
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McCarron is tall, can make all of the throws, can move around the pocket well and is obviously a leader.

Manziel obviously knows who to party with. People at the top of their fields.
You said boyd arm is avg,but mccarron can make all the throws? I disagree on both accounts especially with boyd arm being avg. He has a powerful and compact delivery. He doesn't need a lot of footspace nor time to throw the ball outside the numbers. His biggest problem is mechanics.

When I watch mccarron,he always have a clean pocket. Look at the lineman in front of him and tell me when he's had to play under pressure in his face? How many nfl throws have u seen him make?Everytime I look up, his wrs are running butt naked.
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When I watch mccarron,he always have a clean pocket. Look at the lineman in front of him and tell me when he's had to play under pressure in his face? How many nfl throws have u seen him make?Everytime I look up, his wrs are running butt naked.
I wont get into the Boyd Vs McCarron debate ....


But I will state that I believe a large part of McCarron's success is because of the talent around him. He , to me , is a product of the system & talent around him.

He's got the best OL group in college football (arguably) along with lots of talent at RB , WR & TE.
The talent on his team , position by position is generally better than the talent of their opponents. He wont be afforded that luxury in the NFL where the great teams and the weakest teams are separated by very little in overall talent.

Its really difficult for me to gauge his stock because of that talent disparity. He has the #1 defense in the NCAA , other than A&M who put any pressure on them ?!

Good size , good arm , ~69% completion percentage but isn't asked to do much, isn't going to hurt defenses outside the pocket , never really tested.


What's his upside ?!
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When you or anyone says things like bolded, you lose credit with me. McCarron makes all the throws and is extremely consistently good. You should read the following:

"In American football, a game manager is a quarterback who, despite relatively poor individual statistics such as passing yards and touchdowns, manages to perform well enough to win games.[1][2] Game managers often benefit from strong defense and rushing offense on their teams. The player is expected to not lose games with interceptions, fumbles, or poor decisions, particularly during important situations near the end of a game.[3][4]
The New York Times called it a "backhanded compliment".[5] The San Francisco Chronicle wrote, "As consolation ... Quarterbacks are called game managers only if they're winning."[6] The Associated Press opined, "But like any cliche, [game manager is] oversimplified". Former Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian laughed, "Every quarterback is a game manager, it's what the job is all about."[1] College coach Nick Saban added that "I don't think you can be a good quarterback unless you're a really good game manager."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_manager


You would defend your opinion better if you stated a negative McCarron (or any player)has then offered facts to support.
Seriously? I've been on this board for years. Followed the draft since before if was popular. I remember scouring every magazine and newspaper I could get my hands on when I was in middle school just to read about draft eligible players. Yes that was before the internet. I don't need you to give me the definition of game manager. Hell I'm a texans fan. If anyone knows what a game manager is its a texans fan.

I have watched McCarren many times. The only thing special about him is his girlfriend. He's slightly better than McElroy arm strength wise. Other than that they are pretty much the same player. I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
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I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
Im stuck between career backup & an Alex Smith type who just doesn't make any mistakes but isn't going to carry your team. Now if you have a team with a great running game & defense .... Alex Smith is just fine , just look at what he's done the past three seasons , something like 32-6.
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While Manziel might be stupid off the field, I don't think he's a Terrell Owens type. On the field he's all about football.

Honestly I don't he parties any more than any other college star player. He just gets far more coverage than all the others. The NFL will bring some maturity in him, especially if he comes into a locker room with serious veterans. If he goes to an organization with rowdy players, he'll stay the same.
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McCarron so far 2013 - 69.4% completion average (consider afforded plus time/protection) 8.9 avg. per catch (suggests game management dink & dunk) 16 TD's vs 3 Int's (lower completion yardage increase ball security) 166.61 passer rating & 232.8 yards per.game

McCarron 2012 - 67.2 completion average, 9.3 avg. per catch 30 TD's vs 3 Int's. passer rating 175.28 & 209.5 yards per game (more effective running the ball).

McCarron 2011 - 66.8 completion average 8.0 avg. per catch 16 TD's vs 5 Int's 147.27 passer rating & 202.6 yards per game.

Game manager. Low ceiling. Consistently progressing but trending only slightly above average.

Boyd same number games for 2013 - 63.9 completion average, 8.5 yards per catch, 17 TD's vs 5 INT's 153.05 passer rating & 280.4 yards per game. Heavy on passing attack, unbalanced, more risk with inferior OL & running game.

Boyd 2012 with Hopkins - 67.2 completion average 9.1 yards per catch 36 TD's vs 13 Int's, 165.58 passer rating & 299.7 yards per game. Still heavy on passing attack but better balanced. Risk taker, strong arm.

Boyd 2011 - 59.7 completion average 7.7 yards per catch 33 TD's vs 12 Int's 141.17 passer rating & 273.4 yards per game.

Pass happy QB who developed more over his tenure than MaCarron but who still lacks game management & ball security skills. Natural leadership & athletic ability, still developing.

Even though Johnny Manziel has played only two years (redshirt sophomore) I would like to throw him into the mix just for comparison.

Manziel 2013 - 73.0 completion average 10.3 yards per catch 22 TD's vs 8 Int's 181.95 passer rating & 324.3 yards per game.

Manziel 2012 - 68.0 completion average 8.5 yards per catch 26 TD's 9 Int's 155.32 passer rating & 285.1 yards per game.

Most dynamic of three. Huge jump in averages across the board, still reckless @ times with ball, but clearly ascending higher. Likes to stretch the field (defenses). If he declares early? he will probably be rated only behind Bridgewater @ QB position. I seriously doubt Mariota will come out who is an entirely different cat all together.
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While Manziel might be stupid off the field, I don't think he's a Terrell Owens type. On the field he's all about football.

Honestly I don't he parties any more than any other college star player. He just gets far more coverage than all the others. The NFL will bring some maturity in him, especially if he comes into a locker room with serious veterans. If he goes to an organization with rowdy players, he'll stay the same.

He's made a lot of improvement on the field this year too ... Arm strength & accuracy have both significantly improved. Not really so concerned with his reading defenses as he buys himself so much time with his mobility. Not many QB's I've seen can scramble like that while keeping their eyes down field.

If Keenum proves NOT to be the guy going forward and both Bridgewater & Mariota (I'm no Mariota fan) are both gone , I'd have to consider Manziel with that first round pick.

He definitely shouldn't be fed a diet of designed runs in the pro's but he could definitely extend some plays causing a lot of problems for defenses ....
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Seriously? I've been on this board for years. Followed the draft since before if was popular. I remember scouring every magazine and newspaper I could get my hands on when I was in middle school just to read about draft eligible players. Yes that was before the internet. I don't need you to give me the definition of game manager. Hell I'm a texans fan. If anyone knows what a game manager is its a texans fan.

I have watched McCarren many times. The only thing special about him is his girlfriend. He's slightly better than McElroy arm strength wise. Other than that they are pretty much the same player. I could be wrong but I see his ceiling as a career backup in the NFL.
The definition I posted definitely eliminates McCarron as a system QB so evidently you did not know it. I am not interested in your time on a MB (or mine either) as that implies nothing. Understand I am not attacking you but asking you to present something to support what you are saying. If you think AJ is poor passer or not mobile for example, say so.
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I wont get into the Boyd Vs McCarron debate ....


But I will state that I believe a large part of McCarron's success is because of the talent around him. He , to me , is a product of the system & talent around him.

He's got the best OL group in college football (arguably) along with lots of talent at RB , WR & TE.
The talent on his team , position by position is generally better than the talent of their opponents. He wont be afforded that luxury in the NFL where the great teams and the weakest teams are separated by very little in overall talent.

Its really difficult for me to gauge his stock because of that talent disparity. He has the #1 defense in the NCAA , other than A&M who put any pressure on them ?!

Good size , good arm , ~69% completion percentage but isn't asked to do much, isn't going to hurt defenses outside the pocket , never really tested.


What's his upside ?!
How would he do on Texans? HOF WR, 1st round Hopkins, Pro Bowler D. Brown, Foster and decent TEs. Seems like a very good fit.
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McCarron so far 2013 - 69.4% completion average (consider afforded plus time/protection) 8.9 avg. per catch (suggests game management dink & dunk) 16 TD's vs 3 Int's (lower completion yardage increase ball security) 166.61 passer rating & 232.8 yards per.game

McCarron 2012 - 67.2 completion average, 9.3 avg. per catch 30 TD's vs 3 Int's. passer rating 175.28 & 209.5 yards per game (more effective running the ball).

McCarron 2011 - 66.8 completion average 8.0 avg. per catch 16 TD's vs 5 Int's 147.27 passer rating & 202.6 yards per game.

Game manager. Low ceiling. Consistently progressing but trending only slightly above average.

Boyd same number games for 2013 - 63.9 completion average, 8.5 yards per catch, 17 TD's vs 5 INT's 153.05 passer rating & 280.4 yards per game. Heavy on passing attack, unbalanced, more risk with inferior OL & running game.

Boyd 2012 with Hopkins - 67.2 completion average 9.1 yards per catch 36 TD's vs 13 Int's, 165.58 passer rating & 299.7 yards per game. Still heavy on passing attack but better balanced. Risk taker, strong arm.

Boyd 2011 - 59.7 completion average 7.7 yards per catch 33 TD's vs 12 Int's 141.17 passer rating & 273.4 yards per game.

Pass happy QB who developed more over his tenure than MaCarron but who still lacks game management & ball security skills. Natural leadership & athletic ability, still developing.

Even though Johnny Manziel has played only two years (redshirt sophomore) I would like to throw him into the mix just for comparison.

Manziel 2013 - 73.0 completion average 10.3 yards per catch 22 TD's vs 8 Int's 181.95 passer rating & 324.3 yards per game.

Manziel 2012 - 68.0 completion average 8.5 yards per catch 26 TD's 9 Int's 155.32 passer rating & 285.1 yards per game.

Most dynamic of three. Huge jump in averages across the board, still reckless @ times with ball, but clearly ascending higher. Likes to stretch the field (defenses). If he declares early? he will probably be rated only behind Bridgewater @ QB position. I seriously doubt Mariota will come out who is an entirely different cat all together.
Well Done! Manziel runs better and nobody sees the football field as well as Manziel
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