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Old 10-31-2013   #101
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Yeah, the front office seemingly did about all it could to fix things, there was just a bunch of bad luck involved, from Cush being injured at around the same point, Schaub just coming apart, retaining talented players at the expense of guys like Winston and allowing Newton to start, who, in turn, doesn't develop...

Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Only one team can win it all every year, and mostly on the strength of having the least bad luck.
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Odds are this not playing out.

We HAVE to go for a QB. Only exception being Case proves all the Case lovers right! Let's hope

If not, I would want to go after Manziel.

Simply put, QB has to be the centerpiece of this team moving forward. NFL dictates it, not me.

Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
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Odds are this not playing out.

We HAVE to go for a QB. Only exception being Case proves all the Case lovers right! Let's hope

If not, I would want to go after Manziel.

Simply put, QB has to be the centerpiece of this team moving forward. NFL dictates it, not me.

Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
Clowney has not been best until last Saturday.
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Hypothetical situation, if we end up in the 12th spot in the draft and trade down to around 20-21 we should be able to pick up a mid 2nd round pick as compensation. This would help us alot with being able to fill another team hole with high quality talent. Would you guys support such a trade down, and are there any teams that you can realistically think of that would trade up with us? Any teams with multiple 2nd round picks? Maybe someone going after a QB that falls or Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, possibly Anthony Barr etc...
For me , it would really depend upon who was left on the board at the time.

If Anthony Barr , Jake Matthews or one of the top QB's falls (pending Keenum's performance) ... Im gonna use the pick. Couple other guy's I'd seriously consider taking too - CJ Mosley & Louis Nix come to mind. You'd have to really compensate me well to pass on landing one of them.

If I can get an impact player at ILB , OLB , OT , DE or NT its going to be really difficult to move out of that slot.




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Yeah, the front office seemingly did about all it could to fix things, there was just a bunch of bad luck involved, from Cush being injured at around the same point, Schaub just coming apart, retaining talented players at the expense of guys like Winston and allowing Newton to start, who, in turn, doesn't develop...

Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Only one team can win it all every year, and mostly on the strength of having the least bad luck.
Yeah , it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did go wrong for this team.
I don't think any of us expected Schaub to fall as far as he has. He was just abysmal .... I expected him to at least make good decisions with the ball.

Ed Reed was a mistake , shoulda kept Quin. He's been outplayed by Shiloh Keo.

They drafted two OLB's both of whom look like busts in hindsight.

Cushing and OD being injured ....

Injuries to both OL they drafted ..... and Newton playing poorly.


Everything they did blew up in their faces .....
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I'd like to see the Texans spend that first round pick on the best OL prospect they can find. I miss the days of Munchak, Matthews, and "Dino" Steinkuhler. I want to see the Texans build an offensive line that can hold the fort down for a decade.

If Keenum lights it up and we appear to have our QB I'd like to use that first pick on the OL. It will have been 6 drafts since we took Duane Brown in the first. It's time to do the line right for a change.
This should be on every page of the thread. The Texans could spend their first round picks on OL and DL for the next ten years and I might be happy. Win the trenches and everyone else benefits.
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Without big bodies up front to dominate, it don't matter...OL please.
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For me , it would really depend upon who was left on the board at the time.

If Anthony Barr , Jake Matthews or one of the top QB's falls (pending Keenum's performance) ... Im gonna use the pick. Couple other guy's I'd seriously consider taking too - CJ Mosley & Louis Nix come to mind. You'd have to really compensate me well to pass on landing one of them.

If I can get an impact player at ILB , OLB , OT , DE or NT its going to be really difficult to move out of that slot.






Yeah , it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did go wrong for this team.
I don't think any of us expected Schaub to fall as far as he has. He was just abysmal .... I expected him to at least make good decisions with the ball.

Ed Reed was a mistake , shoulda kept Quin. He's been outplayed by Shiloh Keo.

They drafted two OLB's both of whom look like busts in hindsight.

Cushing and OD being injured ....

Injuries to both OL they drafted ..... and Newton playing poorly.


Everything they did blew up in their faces .....
Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.

Poor drafting by Rick/Gary/Wade and co this yr. Until the Texans find a NT that can command double teams, all of the Texans ILB's are in jeopardy of getting hurt/steamrolled.

Quessenberry was plain bad luck, but drafting an injured Williams in the 3rd was a mistake that could've been forecasted. Every time I watch the Packers and see Bahktiari (SP?) knowing he was picked in the 5th rd and wtching him do a good job blocking Allen/Peppers/Ansah it makes me wish we had the Packers GM.
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This should be on every page of the thread. The Texans could spend their first round picks on OL and DL for the next ten years and I might be happy. Win the trenches and everyone else benefits.
While I too watch the trenches, good corners are also important, especially with a passing QB that needs only 3 seconds to release. If Keenum is THAT guy and gets the ball out, our OL should be much better and that decreases need for high pick for line. True that Wade Smith & Myers are not playing lights out, they were cheap adequate players that did not cost much. Hopefully Jones should be ready to replace at center in 2014. Myers' guarantee is paid this season and we can save by cutting him. Brandon Brooks 13th pick in 3rd starting RG and DQ appears to be heir apparent at LG in 2014. Quessenbury was a 6th. I can see why Texans lean toward later rounds for O line.
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Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.

Poor drafting by Rick/Gary/Wade and co this yr. Until the Texans find a NT that can command double teams, all of the Texans ILB's are in jeopardy of getting hurt/steamrolled.

Quessenberry was plain bad luck, but drafting an injured Williams in the 3rd was a mistake that could've been forecasted. Every time I watch the Packers and see Bahktiari (SP?) knowing he was picked in the 5th rd and wtching him do a good job blocking Allen/Peppers/Ansah it makes me wish we had the Packers GM.
To be fair you keep refering to Brennan Williams labrum injury which was resolved. He is on IR due to different injury & that needs to be noted. He is not only one injured this year. lol
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Clowney has not been best until last Saturday.
You can throw out this season if you like and Clowney is still all that and a big bag of chips. You gotta see him play.
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To be fair you keep refering to Brennan Williams labrum injury which was resolved. He is on IR due to different injury & that needs to be noted. He is not only one injured this year. lol
The Texas Dr.'s should be able to tell if a prospective player needs microfracture surgery. There are signs that should be obvious on an MRI.

The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO
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The Texas Dr.'s should be able to tell if a prospective player needs microfracture surgery. There are signs that should be obvious on an MRI.

The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO
OK. You are still confused, Williams injured his shoulder labrum late October 2012 in college. He healed. At draft in April 2013 this was the news :

With the 89th pick Brennan Williams
The Houston Texans have selected Brennan Williams, offensive tackle from North Carolina. Williams had a labrum injury that ended his season in 2012 and is almost back to 100% strength. http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texa...nnan-williams/


Then: in May 11 2013 as a Texan Williams hurt knee and was placed on PUP until training camp. He did play in last preseason game but was then placed on IR & underwent micro surgery for knee. There was no need for MRI at draft as he was not injured until later.
http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/9/...-williams-have


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Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.
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The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO
With as many times as the Texans medical staff has blown it , over the course of a decade thru two GM's & Coaches , I really have to wonder about them.

I get the idea that they gave Schaub an all clear ... then why would they have a contingency plan ?? Schaub was healthy at the end of the season and into the playoffs ....

The evidence sure leads me to believe this is the case .....

They have been wrong time and again ..... Boselli , DD , Jopru .... the list goes on and on and on. Bad medical advice.

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Haha. I'll concede not having seen enough to argue this point, but didn't get that from the few games I've watched.
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Haha. I'll concede not having seen enough to argue this point, but didn't get that from the few games I've watched.
His coach recently made comments that Clowney was not playing as expected and may be riding the "injury" train to end of year. http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/clowney-week-6/

He is averaging less than 4 total tackles per game and that hardly screams superstar. Maybe he believed ESPN hype after his very good 2012.
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Several months ago Clowney was speculating about sitting out the whole season in order to protect his future NFL value and earnings. He strikes me as a guy who's all effort in a contract year but will play conservative the rest of the time. It also sounds like he's milking that injury for all he can. I wouldn't touch him in the draft.
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Several months ago Clowney was speculating about sitting out the whole season in order to protect his future NFL value and earnings. He strikes me as a guy who's all effort in a contract year but will play conservative the rest of the time. It also sounds like he's milking that injury for all he can. I wouldn't touch him in the draft.
i feel the same way, i wouldnt take him higher than the 3rd - if at all. you cant have success at the next level with that "i'll play when i want to" attitude. the pro game isnt like college, here even the scrubs are great players. unless his work ethic changes drastically, a desperate team will take him and 2 years we'll be saying "looks like tarzan, plays like jane" as he bounces around the league before being dropped.
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Are there any corners worth taking in the first?

Are the two guys from Florida/the kid from Oregon legit next level talent?

I've been looking at later round guys, but it seems we may need a star here sooner than I hoped with JJo's quick decline.
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Are there any corners worth taking in the first?

Are the two guys from Florida/the kid from Oregon legit next level talent?

I've been looking at later round guys, but it seems we may need a star here sooner than I hoped with JJo's quick decline.
JJO killed this team and my fantasy. 30 ****ing points from TY Hilton.

I'd kill for Purifoy from UF, but I'd rather lock up safety in the first with Haha Dix out of Bama.

Verrett from TCU in the second? or maybe Aaron Colvin from OU.
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If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...
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