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Old 10-29-2013   #401
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I am going to LMAO when a UDFA outplays the #1 ovrl pick at his position from his draft class on Sunday night football in front of the entire country.
If that were to happen I'd have a woody that I'd have a hard time seeing my 53" flatscreen around!

And you know what? I don't have that much of a problem believing it could actually happen. You saw how the play calling changed and that was with minimal prep time for Case. With the added time he'll have with the 1's by Sunday night maybe this will be once that we're not nationally humiliated. Reggie Wayne won't be on the field so if we can put a lock down on TY Hilton and contain Fleener I think we can get it done.

Gary coaching for his job has renewed my enthusiasm about the remainder of the season.

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If that were to happen I'd have a woody that I'd have a hard time seeing my 53" flatscreen around!

And you know what? I don't have that much of a problem believing it could actually happen. You saw how the play calling changed and that was with minimal prep time for Case. With the added time he'll have with the 1's by Sunday night maybe this will be once that we're not nationally humiliated. Reggie Wayne won't be on the field so if we can put a lock down on TY Hilton and contain Fleener I think we can get it done.

Gary coaching for his job has renewed my enthusiasm about the remainder of the season.

Go Texans!
People keep saying that the play calling changed. Is that really true? Other than playing out of the pistol formation instead of from under the center, the offense is still the same. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I thought I saw was Keenum looking for receivers deep more than Schaub and not just checking down on every play. He was able to extend a few plays with his mobility, and we know that's something Schaub can't do. Later in the game, Kubiak's hand was forced due to injuries to RB's and he had to go with empty backfield, but I don't think he's going to choose to do that if he has a healthy RB. It's not like Kubiak CALLS a 1 yd pass to RB in the flat, it's just the last option on the play, and it's up to the QB to decide where to go with the ball.
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Speaking of which, when Schaub was starting, some of us were saying that the defense isn't going to play all out, because they feel they're wasting their time.

If you were Jj Watt, or Antonio, wouldn't you be more upset that those two OLBs are out there with their thumbs up their rears? I would think as a defensive player, while I care about what the offense is doing, kicking three field goals isn't going to affect my attitude as much as knowing that I'm busting my butt on the field & for whatever reason Wade can't find a way to get Willie Jefferson on the field.

A little off-topic, just thinking out loud.
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Maybe 'cause he was busy "smokin' in tha boy's room"?

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Speaking of which, when Schaub was starting, some of us were saying that the defense isn't going to play all out, because they feel they're wasting their time.

If you were Jj Watt, or Antonio, wouldn't you be more upset that those two OLBs are out there with their thumbs up their rears? I would think as a defensive player, while I care about what the offense is doing, kicking three field goals isn't going to affect my attitude as much as knowing that I'm busting my butt on the field & for whatever reason Wade can't find a way to get Willie Jefferson on the field.

A little off-topic, just thinking out loud.
Uh,

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Speaking of which, when Schaub was starting, some of us were saying that the defense isn't going to play all out, because they feel they're wasting their time.

If you were Jj Watt, or Antonio, wouldn't you be more upset that those two OLBs are out there with their thumbs up their rears? I would think as a defensive player, while I care about what the offense is doing, kicking three field goals isn't going to affect my attitude as much as knowing that I'm busting my butt on the field & for whatever reason Wade can't find a way to get Willie Jefferson on the field.

A little off-topic, just thinking out loud.
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Maybe 'cause he was busy "smokin' in da boy's room"?

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People keep saying that the play calling changed. Is that really true? Other than playing out of the pistol formation instead of from under the center, the offense is still the same. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I thought I saw was Keenum looking for receivers deep more than Schaub and not just checking down on every play. He was able to extend a few plays with his mobility, and we know that's something Schaub can't do. Later in the game, Kubiak's hand was forced due to injuries to RB's and he had to go with empty backfield, but I don't think he's going to choose to do that if he has a healthy RB. It's not like Kubiak CALLS a 1 yd pass to RB in the flat, it's just the last option on the play, and it's up to the QB to decide where to go with the ball.
The different plays was the first thing I noticed in the game. I don't ever recall Schaub being in the pistol with no backs for blocking. Schaub never had as many long passes as Case did. It just seemed like a different game plan. Like you say, Kubiak doesn't call one yard passes, it is just Schaub that ends up doing it. Maybe the pass plays two yards short of a first down will stop also. == Kubiak said it is a week by week decision on who starts at QB, but I just can't see Schaub starting again. Can you imagine the crowd boos if he did. I have a shirt with Schaub on the back. I have been behind the guy, but I can't do it anymore. Time to burn the shirt.
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I like how case tries to get the defense to tip their hand by setting up like he's about to hike the ball, then re-setting.
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Adam Schefter's opinion is that Schaub is done in Houston either way. He's not exactly going out on a limb there, but I'm wondering how informed his opinion is since he's ESPN's "insider" guy.

Here's a link to Ganguli's article with the Schefter video embedded.
I listen to pat kirwan alot especially when he talks contracts. Last week he said schaub had a 10m paragraph 5 and a 1m per game. This contract was written to give the texans an out. Paragraph 5 in contracts are salaries which are non guaranteed. The texans could cyt schaub and not hurt their cap. So if scheffter says schaub is done, hes basically looking at the contract and limking everything up.
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I listen to pat kirwan alot especially when he talks contracts. Last week he said schaub had a 10m paragraph 5 and a 1m per game. This contract was written to give the texans an out. Paragraph 5 in contracts are salaries which are non guaranteed. The texans could cyt schaub and not hurt their cap. So if scheffter says schaub is done, hes basically looking at the contract and limking everything up.
Just to clarify - the Texans couldn't cut Schaub (or trade him) this year without absorbing his remaining signing bonus. There's not enough cap room to absorb that without restructuring 2-3 contacts.
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Just to clarify - the Texans couldn't cut Schaub (or trade him) this year without absorbing his remaining signing bonus. There's not enough cap room to absorb that without restructuring 2-3 contacts.
The cap hit would be 4mill
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The different plays was the first thing I noticed in the game. I don't ever recall Schaub being in the pistol with no backs for blocking. Schaub never had as many long passes as Case did. It just seemed like a different game plan. Like you say, Kubiak doesn't call one yard passes, it is just Schaub that ends up doing it. Maybe the pass plays two yards short of a first down will stop also. == Kubiak said it is a week by week decision on who starts at QB, but I just can't see Schaub starting again. Can you imagine the crowd boos if he did. I have a shirt with Schaub on the back. I have been behind the guy, but I can't do it anymore. Time to burn the shirt.
None of the routes changed between case and matt. The formations changed because case is more mobile and the pistol was done to make case comfort level acceptable. However,the routes were exactly the same. Thtas why I informed people think players,not plays. Kubiak,despite how people want to view, wasnt at fault for schaub dropping his eyes to yhe ch3dkdown so often. Many times when a qb feels pressure thats jot there, young or old, tend to do this. There is a fine line between getting it out quick and letting the play develop. When you see qbs in this age of passing getting less than 7ypa, theyre not allowing routes to develop. What case was doing well is he was reading from andre to deandre to the te. Schaub was reading from andre straight to te or rb. This wouldnt be a problem if the te was graham,cameron,gronk,gates, or someone of that ilk,but daniels nor garrett are close in that class. I will say this alot, until you can get a qb who can threaten every blade of grass, then you gotta keep looking for one either via draft or free agency
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The cap hit would be 4mill
This year would be more like 7. His bonus is 3.5 per year for 3 more years. That's 10.5 - 3.6 (50% 2013 salary) = 6.9.
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Just to clarify - the Texans couldn't cut Schaub (or trade him) this year without absorbing his remaining signing bonus. There's not enough cap room to absorb that without restructuring 2-3 contacts.
They didnt stretch his bonus money. They paid it in workout, game,and on roster bonus for the 1st 3yr. In another thread, a poster talked about how smith scrwwed up the cap which is not really accurate. Just look at schaubs contract. I didht want schaub back ahy more than the next man, but they got him with 27m in bonus money which is half of what romo,ryan,rodgers,and flacco got. All hating aside, do you view romo,ryan,and flacco twice as good as schaub? I dont
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This year would be more like 7. His bonus is 3.5 per year for 3 more years. That's 10.5 - 3.6 (50% 2013 salary) = 6.9.
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Confirms my point. You still have to absorb the signing bonus. He had no salary guaranteed but the signing bonus was prorated and 10.5 is owed after this season.
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None of the routes changed between case and matt. The formations changed because case is more mobile and the pistol was done to make case comfort level acceptable. However,the routes were exactly the same. Thtas why I informed people think players,not plays. Kubiak,despite how people want to view, wasnt at fault for schaub dropping his eyes to yhe ch3dkdown so often. Many times when a qb feels pressure thats jot there, young or old, tend to do this. There is a fine line between getting it out quick and letting the play develop. When you see qbs in this age of passing getting less than 7ypa, theyre not allowing routes to develop. What case was doing well is he was reading from andre to deandre to the te. Schaub was reading from andre straight to te or rb. This wouldnt be a problem if the te was graham,cameron,gronk,gates, or someone of that ilk,but daniels nor garrett are close in that class. I will say this alot, until you can get a qb who can threaten every blade of grass, then you gotta keep looking for one either via draft or free agency

I have struggled to understand how/why are play-action passing game has not produced deep passing opportunities as it always has since Kubiak has been here. When I went back and looked at the games, including games when we were running the ball well (1st half vs. StLouis, for instance)... The safeties just dropped deep unless it was a blitz and bit on nothing... What appeared open, looking at the coaching tape, were seems and deep-ins at about 20 yards. I think Schaub has lossed a little bit of zip on the ball since the foot injury, and he simply could not afford any diminishing of his arm, which combined with longer release was already marginal by NFL standards. Now, teams dare him to fit the ball downfield- below the safeties... and it he can't consistently do that.

I'm not sure, based on one game's eyeball test, whether Keenum's arm is stronger (I think it is at this point). I do know his release is quicker, which means the defense has less reaction time. Also, his added mobility create situations for big plays in the passing game as well. I think that is why we saw the passing game look different. He hit receivers at different points in their routes, etc... The Posey 40 yard play was an example of Keenum's quicker delivery, for instance.

I have no idea whether Keenum is the answer. Heck, I thought Schaub looked good this year, other than a few horrible plays. It wasn't until I saw Keenum playing that I recognized the extent of Schaub's limitations. But, I am excited to see what he does and how the offense looks with some athleticism back there. Even if he is not the long term answer, his presence and abilities will reveal a lot more about the offensive talent, playmaking ability of the receivers, and how the talent can excel (or not), in the Kubiak/Dennison version of the West Coast offense. I'm looking forward to the reappearance of the bootleg as a weapon instead as a moment of dread.
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Confirms my point. You still have to absorb the signing bonus. He had no salary guaranteed but the signing bonus was prorated and 10.5 is owed after this season.
You are correct on this, but I think it's important to point out that cutting Schaub after the season, even with the $10.5MM dead money cap hit, would still save the Texans $4MM in cap space. They can also designate him a June 1 cut and create even more cap space next year, but that means they'd still carry some of his dead money in 2015.
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The Texans will save a net of $4 million if they cut him before 2014 season. His cap number is scheduled to be roughly $14 million next year. If he's cut, the bonus gets prorated and the cap hit will be $10.5 million... then, the Texans will be clear of the contract. So, it is a very manageable situation. The only thing his contract prevents heading into 2014, would be the Texans bidding on an elite, free agent QB, which I would not expect anyway.
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You are correct on this, but I think it's important to point out that cutting Schaub after the season, even with the $10.5MM dead money cap hit, would still save the Texans $4MM in cap space. They can also designate him a June 1 cut and create even more cap space next year, but that means they'd still carry some of his dead money in 2015.
Yeah I'm hoping they absorb it all next year.
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Confirms my point. You still have to absorb the signing bonus. He had no salary guaranteed but the signing bonus was prorated and 10.5 is owed after this season.
Maybe ur having trouble understanding contracts. They will owe him 0 because the rest of his money is salary. They already paid his bonus money and didn't stretch it. Thbey paid it upfront vs pro rating it. That tells me they had doubts about schaub all along. They cut him at the end of this season,they will have the same count against the cap than it is if they cut us.
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