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Old 10-27-2013   #1
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This time last year we were 6-1. Can someone please tell me what changed? The roster isn't that different, the staff has the same people.

Did we just have a softer schedule last year? Or a really tough one now?
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Did you just come out of a coma or something?
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Matt Schaub & Gary Kubiak
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This time last year we were 6-1. Can someone please tell me what changed? The roster isn't that different, the staff has the same people.

Did we just have a softer schedule last year? Or a really tough one now?
Use any reason you want...but schedule? Hell nah.
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This time last year we were 6-1. Can someone please tell me what changed? The roster isn't that different, the staff has the same people.

Did we just have a softer schedule last year? Or a really tough one now?

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Did you just come out of a coma or something?


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Matt Schaub & Gary Kubiak
That, & Texans bought into their own hype, not realizing other teams have similar aspirations. Last year was "letterman jackets" this year was "superbowl or bust" (Which should always be the goal, but perhaps they saw it as a given since they said it)
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Default Re: What happened to us?

There's usually a fine line between winners and losers. Last year, we weren't as good as our record indicated and this year, we're not as bad as our record indicates.

Even though we're only a few plays from being 0-7 this year, we're also only a few plays from being 4-3.

Last year, we were getting a lot of breaks to go our way. This year, not so much.

Personally, I think the biggest factor is whatever's going on between Schaub's ears. Last year, coming off a potentially career ending foot injury, he looked like he had made some improvements. But after the two big OT games last year, he seemed to go on a steady decline. I was hoping it was just a funk he'd be able to play his way out of but now, I don't think he can.

As a team, though, this team is not far off from being the same great team it was the previous two years.
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Kee-rect. Schaub never recovered from the foot injury and had a coach determined to start him anyway.
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Default Re: What happened to us?

Last year was an anomaly. This year the Texans are regressing to their mean.
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Default Re: What happened to us?

We're 2nd in turnovers with 16,

We're 28th in takeaways with 5,

Which leaves us 30th in turnover differential at -11.

Since 2006, no team with a negative turnover differential has finished with a winning record. (I read something to that effect recently but forget where, so I don't have a link.) Turnovers usually make the difference in the post-season, as well.
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We're 2nd in turnovers with 16,

We're 28th in takeaways with 5,

Which leaves us 30th in turnover differential at -11.

Since 2006, no team with a negative turnover differential has finished with a winning record. (I read something to that effect recently but forget where, so I don't have a link.) Turnovers usually make the difference in the post-season, as well.
Well that's a bogus stat. The Broncos, Colts, and Vikings all had a negative turnover differential last year and finished with winning records.
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This time last year we were 6-1. Can someone please tell me what changed? The roster isn't that different, the staff has the same people.

Did we just have a softer schedule last year? Or a really tough one now?
Yes, last years schedule fooled a lot of people.

Texans got fat and lucky off some fortunate situations last year. Schaub has shown that he's not good enough and was not good enough before the injury.

Kubiak like to stick to status quo. He's not a forward thinker. The organization as whole is slow to make good decisions.

I could never get excited for this season because I figured it was only a matter of time before the house of cards came crashing down.
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Watt happened last year. Schaub happened this year. Watt hasn't happened this year.



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This time last year we were 6-1. Can someone please tell me what changed? The roster isn't that different, the staff has the same people.

Did we just have a softer schedule last year? Or a really tough one now?
Your faith in Kubiak being able to make this team a true winner is what happened. This team will not ever win a SB under Kubiak, and maybe not ever under Bob Mcnair if he doesn't start holding his staff accountable. His coddling of Gary Kubiak is probably the single and most important problem this franchise still has today.
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Default Re: What happened to us?

Here's my short list.
We went into the season with

1.) A QB who has zero mobility and zero pocket presence.
2.) an offensive system that doesn't allow the QB to read defenses presnap and adjust the plays accordingly.
3.) an offensive system that handcuffs the QB with hot reads that are predictable. Making it easy for defenses to manipulate our offense into doing the predictable.
4.) a coach who refuses to make changes despite repeated failure over and over again.
5.) a coach who doesn't have the ability to make in game adjustments.
6.) a coach who doesn't have a clue how or when to incorporate things like the no huddle or hard count or moving the pocket around to slow down pass rushes.
7.) no real depth on the right side of the OL. OT Newton has been playing with injury since the middle of last season. Harris sucks and our rookie was injured early. OG Brooks is horrible at pass blocking. Jones is really a C who doesn't have the strength to play OG and our rookie Quisinbarry got hurt.

Those are just the offensive problems off the top of my head. There is even a bigger list on Defense.
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Well that's a bogus stat. The Broncos, Colts, and Vikings all had a negative turnover differential last year and finished with winning records.
Yeah, I'm not remembering the stat correctly... this is all I can find right now:
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Thanks to Jason Vida of ESPN Stats and Info who looked into the numbers for me. Over the past 11 years only 27 of the 132 teams that made the playoffs have had negative turnover margins.

In only three of those seasons, teams have made the playoffs with negative double-digit turnover margins. In 2004 the St. Louis Rams made the playoffs with a negative-24 turnover margin.

All of the Super Bowl winners in that span have had positive turnover margins, several with positive double-digit margins.
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This is whats happening to us:
1. Offensive Turnovers
2. Lack of turnovers caused by the defense.
3. Offense imploding in late game situation
4. Bad oline play which looks worse with an immobile QB
5. Bad dline play...we can't stop the run and we get no consistent pass rush which is why #2 is what it is.
6. Suck ass special teams
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Pass Rush. HUGE
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