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Old 10-26-2013   #321
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Honestly I can't remember the last time we ran the patented bootleg
I think the last time we ran the patented bootleg it resulted in a (patent pending) pick 6.
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I know one thing for sure. Schaub never required a LB to spy on him like Case did. That fact alone gives Case an advantage over MS. Keenum's presence has the ability to dictate the defensive scheme to a certain degree, and I'm sure that can be exploited.
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I know one thing for sure. Schaub never required a LB to spy on him like Case did. That fact alone gives Case an advantage over MS. Keenum's presence has the ability to dictate the defensive scheme to a certain degree, and I'm sure that can be exploited.
He had a spy? Didn't even notice that.
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Yea no kidding. Watching them kick that FG was frustrating, and demoralizing, but could have been worse to go for it and fail. That would have surely energized that KC D and taken the air completely out of the Texans, so probably the right decision. Texans had several chances to win the game, they just failed to do it.



True, but we all know on that play he was breaking left across the field as it shows in the other image, and the DB held him which is illegal contact or holding. Not trying to make excuses, the proper play IMO was to throw the ball away at that moment and live to run another play.
This is why I say texans need a qb with arm talent. Even with case extending plays and throwing go route,he doesn't have the arm to throw that 15yd out route. The db are expecting inside routes vs the texas. On that still shot,that route based on cb technique could've been converted to a out,flag,or comeback. Since case and schaub don't have the arm talent to make that throw.
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i remember seeing schaub on that thing and i cant believe how sad and pathetic he looked rolling around in the stadium like that. I would have been embarrassed if i did that. Any ounce of respect i had for schaub was gone after i saw that sorry picture.

At least be a man and walk around in crutches. To drive around in a scooter looking like a young old geezer just encapsulates schaub's career with the texans.
I am not Schaub's biggest fan, but I cannot standby while he takes shots for something that he SHOULD be doing.

Following the type of injury he sustained and the type of surgery he underwent, for the first several weeks he would have been instructed to keep his foot elevated to minimize the possibility of bleeding problems, swelling and pain. Dangling the foot down on crutches on the sidelines during a game is the last thing that would be conducive to healing. By the end of the game that foot would have been engorged within the confined space of his boot............a situation that would necessarily significantly decrease healing blood flow through the traumatized tissues.
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This is why I say texans need a qb with arm talent. Even with case extending plays and throwing go route,he doesn't have the arm to throw that 15yd out route. The db are expecting inside routes vs the texas. On that still shot,that route based on cb technique could've been converted to a out,flag,or comeback. Since case and schaub don't have the arm talent to make that throw.
You do realize absolutely nobody agrees with you right? Arguing about 50 yard throws, knock yourself out but you have left any realm of reality to claim Case doesn't have the arm to throw a 15 yd out.
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You do realize absolutely nobody agrees with you right? Arguing about 50 yard throws, knock yourself out but you have left any realm of reality to claim Case doesn't have the arm to throw a 15 yd out.
Case threw it 50 yards without much effort on the hail mary pass anyway.
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Case threw it 50 yards without much effort on the hail mary pass anyway.
Yeah the TD pass to Hopkins went into the books as a 29-yard TD but Hopkins catches it 8 yds deep in the endzone. Keenum had to be at least 3 yards behind the LOS so all in all, it was a 40-yard pass. With touch.
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You do realize absolutely nobody agrees with you right? Arguing about 50 yard throws, knock yourself out but you have left any realm of reality to claim Case doesn't have the arm to throw a 15 yd out.

How many out routes did u see? If you can't challenge a defense with outside the numbers throws,then you're limiting the plays you can call. Those slants are nice until the defense starts clouding the middle and forcing you to throw outside. There is a reason why brady struggled vs ravens. He can't throw out there either so ray lewis and crew would muddle the middle. So now what are u left with? That's football.

All the stems are the same when you're talking a post,comeback,out,in,and flag. Depending on how the cb technique is played determines the route conversion. The qb has to be able use his arm talent to make out and flag with basically the same mechanics as the post. Its not only accuracy ,but arm talent to throw the flag and out off a 12 yd stem and 5 step drop. That's why I bring up arm talent. The 9 route he threw to case was a great pass,but that's a touch pass,not knocking it. I'm glad he had the balls to throw it because its been there all year. The out and flag is a lot more difficult to throw than that go route. No qb will make a living throwing those pass,but the threat of throwing those routes open the playbook as wide as the grand canyon.
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How many out routes did u see? If you can't challenge a defense with outside the numbers throws,then you're limiting the plays you can call. Those slants are nice until the defense starts clouding the middle and forcing you to throw outside. There is a reason why brady struggled vs ravens. He can't throw out there either so ray lewis and crew would muddle the middle. So now what are u left with? That's football.


I don't agree with what you're saying anyways, but if you're using Tom Brady as an example of what we don't want, then I think that completely invalidates your opinion.
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Keenum should be the starting QB for the rest of the season. No doubt about it. Schaub reached his ceiling couple of years ago and with his injuries, I don't see him being able to do much else. His career I think is over as a starting QB in the NFL. But we have a "genius" head coach in Kubiak who is attached to Schaub and may start him out of some misguided sense of loyalty. I realize that if Keenum starts and does well for the rest of the season, it'll likely mean Kubiak will return for yet another season, but I think it's worth finding out if he's the guy going forward. Finding and investing in a starting caliber QB in this league is no small task. Just look at the Jags, Vikings, Raiders, Bills, etc. It's crucial that we find out if Keenum is a starter or a backup and now's the time to do it.
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You do realize absolutely nobody agrees with you right? Arguing about 50 yard throws, knock yourself out but you have left any realm of reality to claim Case doesn't have the arm to throw a 15 yd out.
LOL, Case could nail this guy right between the eyes with a 90 mph fast ball and knock him flat on his back.. this guy would get up and ask why it didn't break 100 mph..
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When i started reading your comment, I just knew it was going to Lance Armstrong ... epic disappointment.
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Some of us don't have to eat pills, take performing enhancing drug shots, or have to have a camera shoved up our ass to get over that... But like my doctor always told me, he might be a **** bag, but he was a welcomed **** bag who raised a LOT of money for the cause, so I thank him for that.
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eh, i dont really agree with that. newton barely got a hand on hali despite having the tightend on his side to push hali wide. duane crashes his man inside, much too close for comfort for keenum, and with nobody open he follows the logical path to his left. had newton done anything at all, hali cant make that turn.
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I get what LZ is saying, but when you run a guy past the pocket you should actually be making contact with the guy. The play was obviously going to take a while to develop.

Newton basically acted as a cone. Just serving as an obstacle for the de to run around. He provided almost 0 resistance.
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I get what LZ is saying, but when you run a guy past the pocket you should actually be making contact with the guy. The play was obviously going to take a while to develop.

Newton basically acted as a cone. Just serving as an obstacle for the de to run around. He provided almost 0 resistance.
Exactly, he should have maintained contact to keep his man in the EZ until the play was complete. Once the DE is directly behind the QB, unless the QB has eyes behind his head and can see both ahead and behind at the same time (which no one can), the area in front, to his left and to his right are Case's line-of-sight responsibility to constantly be aware of............ the back which is the true "blindside" is solely the responsibility of Newton on that play.
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Exactly, he should have maintained contact to keep his man in the EZ until the play was complete. Once the DE is directly behind the QB, unless the QB has eyes behind his head and can see both ahead and behind at the same time (which no one can), the area in front, to his left and to his right are Case's line-of-sight responsibility to constantly be aware of............ the back which is the true "blindside" is solely the responsibility of Newton on that play.
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The only reason that I can think that Kubiak would start Schaub, especially with Newton and most of the rest of the OL playing, is to deliver the final coup de gras, where we would never see him, except in a wheelchair ever again.
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