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Old 10-25-2013   #721
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That's the type of motto you want your receivers to have.
I imagine this gets ingrained in many receivers heads early on. In HS all we ever heard as receivers is "if you can you touch you can catch it". 20 years later it has stuck with me.
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I imagine this gets ingrained in many receivers heads early on. In HS all we ever heard as receivers is "if you can you touch you can catch it". 20 years later it has stuck with me.
Sort of like VD, huh?
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Any NFL receiver worth his salt who is able to get both his hands on a ball will tell you he should make the catch. Was the pass perfect, no, but that's picking at straws.. it was good enough and QBs don't always make perfect passes, sometimes you just have to make a play for your QB. This comment has nothing to do with what I think about Hopkins' ability as Andre doesn't even always make the play. I'm sure Hopkins will make plenty of tougher catches in the future, it just didn't happen this time.
This kid is going to seamlessly slip into the #1 role once Andre hangs up the cleats.. he gets it. Every receiver believes they should make the catch, but not every receiver is willing to come out and say it and put blame on themselves. Plenty will point fingers elsewhere or say nothing at all. The fact that this kid is truly down in the dumps for not making a great catch, on what was a great play by the DB, is what is going to make him a great receiver going forward. Out of what is now looking like a crappy draft, we definitely nailed this pick
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This kid is going to seamlessly slip into the #1 role once Andre hangs up the cleats.. he gets it. Every receiver believes they should make the catch, but not every receiver is willing to come out and say it and put blame on themselves. Plenty will point fingers elsewhere or say nothing at all. The fact that this kid is truly down in the dumps for not making a great catch, on what was a great play by the DB, is what is going to make him a great receiver going forward. Out of what is now looking like a crappy draft, we definitely nailed this pick
He's definitely a special player. Everyone in the NFL has ability, some guys have more of it. Hopkins is blessed with great ability, but he also has drive and the attitude that often is the difference between a good player and a great player. I'm excited to have him as a Texan.
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WEAKNESSES: lacks track speed and won’t be able to leave NFL defenders in his dust vertically or win with speed alone…


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He honestly pushed off there but your point still stands. His has good enough speed to beat people.
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He honestly pushed off there but your point still stands. His has good enough speed to beat people.
Michael Irvin had a HOF career doing that. He called it "creating space" and was a master of it as he also wasn't the fastest guy. The thing about offensive players is people read to much into their 40 times.. 40 times matter more in defensive players as they need to be more reactive. The offensive player already knows what he wants to run and where he's going to run before the play is even snapped (proactive) and that's accounts for a good one tenth of a second (advantage is always to the offense).

His long strides and route running eats up ground (ala Foster). The guy flat out has a uncanny ability to get open and the ability to create a window. (route running, which is a VERY RARE commodity with young WRs.. that's usually the last battle and he already has it.) He just needs a QB who can recognize when he's open before Andre goes out with a injury...

P.S. Andre needs the same type of QB.. hence why a HOF type of WR has never recorded a single double digit TD season in his career... which will be his biggest knock if he comes up short of HOF recognition. Andre has played with crap QBs when you think about it.. think of his prime.. think of his prime with a QB like Brees, Brady, or Brees.. think about that for a second. It
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Sort of like VD, huh?
LOL! Yeah, pretty much.
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Michael Irvin had a HOF career doing that. He called it "creating space" and was a master of it as he also wasn't the fastest guy. The thing about offensive players is people read to much into their 40 times.. 40 times matter more in defensive players as they need to be more reactive. The offensive player already knows what he wants to run and where he's going to run before the play is even snapped (proactive) and that's accounts for a good one tenth of a second (advantage is always to the offense).

His long strides and route running eats up ground (ala Foster). The guy flat out has a uncanny ability to get open and the ability to create a window. (route running, which is a VERY RARE commodity with young WRs.. that's usually the last battle and he already has it.) He just needs a QB who can recognize when he's open before Andre goes out with a injury...

P.S. Andre needs the same type of QB.. hence why a HOF type of WR has never recorded a single double digit TD season in his career... which will be his biggest knock if he comes up short of HOF recognition. Andre has played with crap QBs when you think about it.. think of his prime.. think of his prime with a QB like Brees, Brady, or Brees.. think about that for a second. It
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The 40 Yard Dash can be broken down into 3 distinct parts: the Drive, the Transition, and Top Speed. The Drive is basically the first 7 steps or so right off the line. Good form is to explode out of the line at a 45 degree angle. Bad form is to jump straight up, and then run forward. The Transition is the middle part of the sprint. This phase is kind of like 2nd-4th gear in a car. You are basically just trying to get up to top speed.

Top Speed is a little bit of a misnomer because sprinters usually cannot achieve top speed in 40 yards. Most athletes don't reach maximum top speed until at least 55 yards. For this reason, good form is to pretend like you are running a 60 yard dash so that you are continuing to accelerate THROUGH the finish line. This fact explains why some players have what is called "deep speed". Some players like Terrell Owens may not have been fast between 0-40 yards, but between 40-60 yards they start to run past cornerbacks. And this is another reason why Usain Bolt's (the Jamiacan world class sprinter) top speed of 27 miles per hour occurs AFTER the first 40 yards.

So for WRs, it is many times much more important what they can do AFTER 40 yds.

If you ask most people, "Why does the NFL use the 40 yd time to evaluate players........where did it come from?", they won't be able to tell you. Well, certainly the 40 yard dash has long been a way of evaluating the speed of football players by scouts for the NFL Draft..........and the origin actually comes from the average distance of a punt being ~40 yards.
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He honestly pushed off there but your point still stands. His has good enough speed to beat people.
Somewhere fifteen yards or so beyond the LOS, Hopkins turned to look at the ball. It looks to me like he was selling the CB an intermediate route. This is the normal break where the receiver can either go inside or outside.
The CB bought it too; he turned and looked at the ball.
Undoubtedly, in doing so, he lost some speed and got beat as Hopkins only one thought in mind, and that was going deep.
IMO, this is why it doesn't pay for the DB to try to locate the ball when he doesn't have the route "secured" yet.
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He's on apace for around 64 catches for 955 yards this year and 4-5 TDS.
If you'd have asked me at the beginning of the season if I'd take that, the answer would have been hell yes.
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He's on apace for around 64 catches for 955 yards this year and 4-5 TDS.
If you'd have asked me at the beginning of the season if I'd take that, the answer would have been hell yes.
If Schaub is out of the picture, then all of our "conservative" predictions can go out the window as well. The 30 catch predictions were predicated more on Schaub than the rookie.
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If Schaub is out of the picture, then all of our "conservative" predictions can go out the window as well. The 30 catch predictions were predicated more on Schaub than the rookie.
And didn't prove to be reality when Schaub was in there either.

With Schaub, Hopkins was on pace for 87 rec., 101 tgts and 907 yds.
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He honestly pushed off there but your point still stands. His has good enough speed to beat people.
Must have not been that bad...The corner wasn't complaining...
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Somewhere fifteen yards or so beyond the LOS, Hopkins turned to look at the ball. It looks to me like he was selling the CB an intermediate route. This is the normal break where the receiver can either go inside or outside.
The CB bought it too; he turned and looked at the ball.
Undoubtedly, in doing so, he lost some speed and got beat as Hopkins only one thought in mind, and that was going deep.
IMO, this is why it doesn't pay for the DB to try to locate the ball when he doesn't have the route "secured" yet.
I rather have our DB play the ball everytime for a couple of reasons :
1) If the pass is under thrown you give yourself a chance for an int or at least a PD.
2) If under thrown you eliminate yourself from PI.
If it's a perfectly thrown pass like the Hopkins then you pretty much screw anyway. Tip your hat to them and force them to do it again.

Being a great defensive team means forcing the offense to play a perfect game to beat you. If the QB is having issues with his accuracy then you don't bail them out with pass interference. (Looking at you, Kareem Jackson.)
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I rather have our DB play the ball everytime for a couple of reasons :
Unless the corner is beat, he should be looking for the ball. In that situation, the corner failed to locate the ball.

If he's beat, the corner needs to play the hands, looking for the ball is only going to get him more beat.

But I see '76s point. The receiver still has to make the catch if that CB stayed on his man, he would have had an opportunity to prevent Hopkins from making the catch.... the ball was placed very well, he had no shot there. But if he were close enough to tackle Hopkins, DeAndre may not have maintained possession, or even a push.... Hopkins would have had a tougher time getting both feet down.

But since that guy got lost looking for the ball, DeAndre caught it unchallenged.
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At least, get last the 17-18 yards cut-off where the receiver's cut is in effect.
At that point, the DB can be sure that it's a deep route; in the meantime, the DB can try to squeeze the receiver a little more toward the sideline.
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since that guy got lost looking for the ball, DeAndre caught it unchallenged.
That's a gamble worth taking. Their cb force our QB to make a perfect pass which Hopkins caught it in full stride. Even if Smith ran with him all the way he would still have to time his play on the ball or his man, and not knowing where or when Hopkins would raise his hands would make the task that much more difficult.

Being stride for stride with a receiver doesn't guarantee a DB can make a play if he doesn't know where or when the ball would come down. At least if he played the ball the only way he get beat is by a perfect pass. If he play his man he can get beat by a well-placed pass, he could get beat by him suddenly stopping and jumping back to get the ball, OR get beat by being called for running into the receiver.

In the NFL a deep pass hitting a receiver in full stride is very rare. Either the ball it's over or under thrown. In this league a DB has to use that number in his favor by playing the ball.
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If you look at all or most of the top corners in the NFL ie; Revis or Sherman most their pass break ups are from them playing the ball. BTW, the separation that Hopkins got from Smith was not just by because the cb lost the ball, it's by the rookie hitting it in fourth gear. Dude has back pocket speed. He will be a beast.
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