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Old 10-24-2013   #81
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Good stuff..... I know it looks really bad, but in that situation I have to believe that's what they are "supposed" to do. Not get fooled by the QB, but play off the run action. The LBs & Safeties in that situation should be reading the FB & RB.... that's what they do there.

In this case, Joe Mays is reading the RB, he should have shot that gap created by McClain taking that jab step to his right. He would have been on top of Charles, instead of getting washed out by the FB. He'd have seen Charles didn't have the ball & attacked the QB.

Reed is watching Charles as well. How's he supposed to know Mercilus was going to play patty cake with him? Had Reed played that gap, Charles would have scored a TD & we'd be blaming Reed anyway.

The big fail on this play, imo, is that Mercilus is playing soft. He should have attacked Smith. If he'd have pinned his ears back, Smith would have been sacked at the time he faked the phantom hand off.

The whole left side of that play....... smh.
The only problem with that analysis is that the safety is supposed to follow the RB.................IF he has the ball........

The whole left side of the D was "taken out" of the play.............Reed was "faked out" of the play........
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Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also...dude took about 300 false steps.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.
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Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field. (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.
Add Antonio with McClain. They were both washed out even if Charles correctly took the hand off. Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job. Out of the play nonetheless. I think Mays read the original play correctly, but recognized too late. Smith and McClain being pushed 5 yards out of the play allowed the TD on a busted play.

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I like watching Kareem Jackson on that play. It amuses me.
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The only problem with that analysis is that the safety is supposed to follow the RB.................IF he has the ball........

The whole left side of the D was "taken out" of the play.............Reed was "faked out" of the play........
What if it was a fake & the RB released into a route? Who was supposed to track him if the safety is supposed to be following the RB if he has the ball?

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Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job.

Just my .02
I'll concede..... this may have been the case. He may be thinking screen if he attacks the QB...

300 false steps though..... lol.
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Reed is terrible at run support, but that's not new. A problem is this scheme doesn't force interceptions. Opposing QBs have very easy reads and get it out quickly. There aren't many guys lurking in zones trying to jump routes. Most turnovers will be from forced fumbles.
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Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.





Isn't there a play every year that the Texans just get tricked badly on?

Remember Donovan McNabb faking the hand off, hiding it behind him, then throwing it downfield?

For some reason I remember Carolina and Cam Newton abusing us to embarrassment.

Probably happens with every team right?

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What if it was a fake & the RB released into a route? Who was supposed to track him if the safety is supposed to be following the RB if he has the ball?
I see your point..............looks to me like everyone shared in this "debacle."
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Add Antonio with McClain. They were both washed out even if Charles correctly took the hand off. Mercilus contained the outside, which was probably his job. Out of the play nonetheless. I think Mays read the original play correctly, but recognized too late. Smith and McClain being pushed 5 yards out of the play allowed the TD on a busted play.

Just my .02
I can see most of that. Mays was blind behind the avalanche of DT's that were being pushed around. Mercilus had contain but he was totally unblocked and didn't attack the ball. If you watch the video clip it's almost like Smith is trying to hand Mercilus the ball. Imagine JJ Watt in that spot and I bet he doesn't do the chicken dance.
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Yeahhh, could we return Ed back to Baltimore and get half of the money back?

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no thanks! We have some issues but we don't need him back. Thanks for the years Ed but you wore out your welcome...
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Instincts? His instincts now just plain stink.


Looks to me like Mays (#53) hits inside shoulder of FB and Reed hops around other side to fill. Mays never closed down gap. Not to mention Antonio flying all the way down the line leaving a huge cutback lane.
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And what the hell was Mercilus doing? Couldn't he see that Smith was handing the ball off to no one?
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And what the hell was Mercilus doing? Couldn't he see that Smith was handing the ball off to no one?
He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?
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He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?
Loses contain on who exactly? Casper?
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Loses contain on who exactly? Casper?
On the ball carrier. He does dive in late and gets blocked by Charles. Imagine if Smith had hesitated and cut behind that block. That would have been all on Mercilus.

It doesn't matter though. He kept the play contained to the middle, which was his job. It's just unfortunate that other guys completely blew their assignments.
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He's the leverage player. Not his play to make.

Sure, we would all love it if he dives in and makes that play. But if he doesn't and loses contain what then?
Yeah I have to agree with this. Mercilus is not the culprit on this. Antonio's first step was to pinch which means he is not responsible for containing on the 5 hole and out. Mercilus is the sole containment (along w/corner in a tight formation) which means his first step is to maintain outside and not push inside on a pinch himself. This alone takes him out of the play. This is a split second play after all. Plus Charles saw him so he wasn't going to make a play anyway.

The main issue on this is McClain gets completely dominated. On top of which he didn't fire out but stood giving the offensive linemen all the leverage. The offensive linemen dictates where he goes. Same for Smith. They just took his momentum on the pinch and kept him going that way and out of the play.

Mays and Reed would have difficult visibility so would follow the back as you see them both attempt to do. If McClain and Smith had came an ounce close to their job the gap would have been small enough for Mays to make a play. But they both get blown fully out increasing the gap making it that much more difficult for Mays.

Only fault I give Reed is coming toward the line of scrimmage too much. He was worried about the first down but should realize his positioning would not allow him to prevent that. He should focus on guarding the endzone. He would have better visibility and an opportunity to react properly.

Nice design by Wade as it would have worked if executed properly. But the players failed on this one.
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Mercilus is looking right at the QB with the ball in his hands. I doubt he's playing contain (although that was most likely his assignment as they appear to have expected run). Most likely he's thinking screen & doesn't want Charles to get a free release.
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Mercilus is looking right at the QB with the ball in his hands. I doubt he's playing contain (although that was most likely his assignment as they appear to have expected run). Most likely he's thinking screen & doesn't want Charles to get a free release.
It just looks weird because there is a one second long period that Alex Smith is sticking the ball out to air and Mercilus is just staring there looking at him. Like he was shocked that there wasn't anyone there to take the ball and he was caught off guard.
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It just looks weird because there is a one second long period that Alex Smith is sticking the ball out to air and Mercilus is just staring there looking at him. Like he was shocked that there wasn't anyone there to take the ball and he was caught off guard.
I think anyone but a stone cold psychopath (Jared Allen) would've had a "WTF??" moment right there.
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Looks like he was filling the right gap if the middle of the Texans front-7 doesn't get totally dominated. I can't fault him on this one. #97 (McClain) is the guy getting his ass kicked in the middle of the field (we don't need no stinking wide body). If he holds his ground, this play gets blown up. Mays looks like he didn't fulfill his gap assignment either. Mays looks like he swapped gaps but not #20. Merci looks clueless also...dude took about 300 false steps.

I'm down on Reed but you have to have your front-7 win around the goal line if you want a chance...you can't rely on your S to make the play down there and you can't get the middle of your front-7 blown totally off the ball and expect to stop anyone in the red zone.

Mays had terrible vision....IMO ILB is our biggest need on defense, other than Cushing we have no one who can fill gaps.....he over plays that BIG time and is caught out of position....Reed also f'd up as he should have then filled the gap. Both suck
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