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Old 10-24-2013   #141
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They signed friggin Gosder Cherilus to a huge deal when he's not worth that amount of money. Luck is simply the difference between mediocrity and greatness
According to PFF out of 75 rated OTs, Derek Newton ranks 73rd, Duane Brown ranks 48th and old friggin Gosder Cherilus ranks 19th.

One of these days some of you folks are just going to have to break down and admit that you're wrong.

Lot's of excuses being made for the 2 - 5 Texans on these boards today.
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If we'd tanked at the right time and gotten Luck, we'd be winning Superbowls too.

There is absolutely nothing special done by the Colts FO other than suck at the right time to get Luck. They signed friggin Gosder Cherilus to a huge deal when he's not worth that amount of money. Luck is simply the difference between mediocrity and greatness
With Indy the lead dog pulling the sled again, the Texans are back to the usual view the rest of the pack has. Obviously the Smithiak baby step, incremental improvement, overly cautious "right way" approach isn't "the difference between mediocrity and greatness". It IS mediocrity.
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We need a new gm that will challenge mcnair, but then again mcnair would probably fire him and get somebody that will run the team the way he wants.
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Luck is simply the difference between mediocrity and greatness
There is a very good chance that after 8 years Gary Kubiak will be 64-64 as Head Coach of the Houston Texans. That is the definition of mediocrity.
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With Indy the lead dog pulling the sled, the Texans are back to the usual view the rest of the pack has. Obviously the Smithiak baby step, incremental improvement, overly cautious "right way" approach isn't "the difference between mediocrity and greatness". It IS mediocrity.
Good fkn post. MSR.

You have to take calculated risks. Look how fast the Rockets got turned around. Daryl Morey had zero loyalty to players and moved them around like chess pieces. Now they have the two best rebounding centers, a top 5 and best SG in Harden, and lots of young talent to boot.

I know Basketball is a lot different from Football in terms of Free agency and the draft, but Daryl had some serious balls when making moves.

The Texans thought they were taking small steps forward but in fact they were taking large steps back. Schaub's extension, Reed's deal, Marciano staying and Holliday gone. It's pretty pathetic.
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And rightly so, like I said, those two are two of the finest QB prospects this league has ever seen, no coincidence there.
To summarize:

The Colts luckily found an approach that worked and luckily repeated it.

The Texans studiously developed an approach that doesn't work and studiously repeated it.
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There is a very good chance that after 8 years Gary Kubiak will be 64-64 as Head Coach of the Houston Texans. That is the definition of mediocrity.
With a playoff record of 2-2.
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umm excuse me luck has not won **** yet 0-1 in playoffs
He just beat the two 2013 Super Bowl teams -- so he's got that going for him, which is nice...

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Wow, some are actually defending the Texans status quo? This organization needs a major shake up.
Granted, there are a number of people here who have been consistent non-believers in Smithiak... While I have not shared their conclusions, they have clearly expressed their reasons, which have remained consistent- even when they allowed some hope to trickle in the past couple years.

Those people notwithstanding, it is somewhat reactionary for the fan base to freak out because of a disappointing (very disappointing) start to the season. Especially, to wildly throw blame around, as if the bad start to the season makes everything untrue.

I can't defend the coaching staff. They are responsible for the season. I can argue that I don't want them fired. Clearly, though, they have failed (to this point) this season.

However, all the panic regarding the personnel and the cap management is not based in reality. The cap has been managed well and the team is in a good position moving forward. Even these "big" contracts can be easily moved on from with very little damage. As of right now, there is no dead money on the books for next season. Furthermore, there is a lot of cap room available next year, depending on what veterans are let go.

Watching this team, I do not see a lack of talent. The fact that we are complaining about a 6th round pick that we attempted to stash on practice squad and is now playing well for New England is an indication of success from the personnel department. All teams make gambles that don't pay off (Sam Montgomery). All teams have high end free agents that begin to outlive the size of their contract (JJoseph). The Texans, however, have only one crippling contract on the books right now (Andre Johnson)... They have a lot of young talent (Brandon Brooks, Posey, Hopkins, Tate, KJackson, Mercilus, Graham, Keenum, EMitchell), including elite players at their respective positions (Duane Brown, JJ Watt)... other very good players in their prime (Cushing, AFoster) and a significant group of solid veterans who have manageable and/or expiring contracts (OD, A.Smith, Manning, JJo, Myers).

I do not see any cap issues nor deficit of talent. Any GM in the league either allows or is obligated by contract, to give the head coach freedom to determine the roster. Decisions like keeping Dobbins and exposing Chris Jones was almost definitely left to Kubiak... Certainly, I can't imagine any GM in the NFL fighting with a coach- demanding to that coach that he cut his draft pick and keep an over the hill street free agent for depth.
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We need a new gm that will challenge mcnair, but then again mcnair would probably fire him and get somebody that will run the team the way he wants.
I think your point is the crux of the issue.

The Texans organization stuck it out too long with Carr and now with Schaub. Why? Because that is what the owner wanted. It it one thing to take a chance on a QB, but it can be disastrous when you don't cut bait at the appropriate time.

As for the other personnel moves, a team is going to win some and lose some. Excluding the QB position, the Texans organization has done a decent job.

Last week, the Texans played their best game of the season. If Kubiak improves his play calling and gets more innovate in his offensive schemes with the sole objective of scoring TDs and getting first downs when it matters the post, the Texans have the roster to be very competitive.

The best way to improve this situation as quickly as possible is to start Case Keenum and improve the play calling. With that, the rest of the stuff will take care of itself.
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With Manning out, let's cut Reed.
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Granted, there are a number of people here who have been consistent non-believers in Smithiak... While I have not shared their conclusions, they have clearly expressed their reasons, which have remained consistent- even when they allowed some hope to trickle in the past couple years.

Those people notwithstanding, it is somewhat reactionary for the fan base to freak out because of a disappointing (very disappointing) start to the season. Especially, to wildly throw blame around, as if the bad start to the season makes everything untrue.

I can't defend the coaching staff. They are responsible for the season. I can argue that I don't want them fired. Clearly, though, they have failed (to this point) this season.

However, all the panic regarding the personnel and the cap management is not based in reality. The cap has been managed well and the team is in a good position moving forward. Even these "big" contracts can be easily moved on from with very little damage. As of right now, there is no dead money on the books for next season. Furthermore, there is a lot of cap room available next year, depending on what veterans are let go.

Watching this team, I do not see a lack of talent. The fact that we are complaining about a 6th round pick that we attempted to stash on practice squad and is now playing well for New England is an indication of success from the personnel department. All teams make gambles that don't pay off (Sam Montgomery). All teams have high end free agents that begin to outlive the size of their contract (JJoseph). The Texans, however, have only one crippling contract on the books right now (Andre Johnson)... They have a lot of young talent (Brandon Brooks, Posey, Hopkins, Tate, KJackson, Mercilus, Graham, Keenum, EMitchell), including elite players at their respective positions (Duane Brown, JJ Watt)... other very good players in their prime (Cushing, AFoster) and a significant group of solid veterans who have manageable and/or expiring contracts (OD, A.Smith, Manning, JJo, Myers).

I do not see any cap issues nor deficit of talent. Any GM in the league either allows or is obligated by contract, to give the head coach freedom to determine the roster. Decisions like keeping Dobbins and exposing Chris Jones was almost definitely left to Kubiak... Certainly, I can't imagine any GM in the NFL fighting with a coach- demanding to that coach that he cut his draft pick and keep an over the hill street free agent for depth.
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Are you saying we turned the ball over on offense too much & made costly defensive penalties again & again & again because Rick Smith mismanaged the cap?

Matt Schaub (a career above average QB with clutch issues) was the guy throwing the ball to the other team... it wasn't the vet min QB we had to sign because we couldn't afford anyone else.

That was a 2nd round pick & a 1st round pick fumbling the ball to the other team, it wasn't a 6th rounder that we had to start out of desperation.

That was our prize FA signing & a 1st round pick that was committing PI in every single game, on 3rd & forever like clock work, not Petey Fagans.

That's was 2nd rounder Brooks Reed, 1st rounders Jj Watt & Brian Cushing, & big FA signing Antonio Smith committing those offsides penalties...

Brice McCain has been consistently bad, but he's not making any money, so he can't be at the center of our cap management issues.

Again, we have no dead money.... well if you want to count $2M for Walter
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Are you saying we turned the ball over on offense too much & made costly defensive penalties again & again & again because Rick Smith mismanaged the cap?

Matt Schaub (a career above average QB with clutch issues) was the guy throwing the ball to the other team... it wasn't the vet min QB we had to sign because we couldn't afford anyone else.

That was a 2nd round pick & a 1st round pick fumbling the ball to the other team, it wasn't a 6th rounder that we had to start out of desperation.

That was our prize FA signing & a 1st round pick that was committing PI in every single game, on 3rd & forever like clock work, not Petey Fagans.

That's was 2nd rounder Brooks Reed, 1st rounders Jj Watt & Brian Cushing, & big FA signing Antonio Smith committing those offsides penalties...

Brice McCain has been consistently bad, but he's not making any money, so he can't be at the center of our cap management issues.

Again, we have no dead money.... well if you want to count $2M for Walter
you've been placed under a hypnotic trance by Smubiak. You've been told the Texans are a good football team when they're not. Your mind has been hijacked into believeing the Colts & Titans have NOT improved and that the Texans HAVE every year that Gary Kubiak has been head coach.

SNAP OUT OF IT!
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Are you saying we turned the ball over on offense too much & made costly defensive penalties again & again & again because Rick Smith mismanaged the cap?

Matt Schaub (a career above average QB with clutch issues) was the guy throwing the ball to the other team... it wasn't the vet min QB we had to sign because we couldn't afford anyone else.

That was a 2nd round pick & a 1st round pick fumbling the ball to the other team, it wasn't a 6th rounder that we had to start out of desperation.

That was our prize FA signing & a 1st round pick that was committing PI in every single game, on 3rd & forever like clock work, not Petey Fagans.

That's was 2nd rounder Brooks Reed, 1st rounders Jj Watt & Brian Cushing, & big FA signing Antonio Smith committing those offsides penalties...

Brice McCain has been consistently bad, but he's not making any money, so he can't be at the center of our cap management issues.

Again, we have no dead money.... well if you want to count $2M for Walter
My original post above was completely buried by a lot of Colts talk so maybe it was missed. Elevator Up to Buried Post

We have little dead money but we weren't able to sign any impact players either. The only "impact" player we signed was Reed. Fail. All the players you are listing were drafted/signed by...Smith. One of the points of my original post was that you HAVE to hit on multiple draft picks each year. That doesn't mean filling your roster with JAGs. You need that as well. That means you have 1-3 players that can do something great in a season or 2. Not just start, but be good to great. Watt is one. Hopkins looks like one. Anyone else fit that over the past few drafts? We have really done pretty bad in the draft. You can't be up against the cap AND blow your draft picks. The Texans have talent but little depth and plenty of holes. Who is responsible for that?
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My original post above was completely buried by a lot of Colts talk so maybe it was missed. Elevator Up to Buried Post

We have little dead money but we weren't able to sign any impact players either. The only "impact" player we signed was Reed. Fail. All the players you are listing were drafted/signed by...Smith. One of the points of my original post was that you HAVE to hit on multiple draft picks each year. That doesn't mean filling your roster with JAGs. You need that as well. That means you have 1-3 players that can do something great in a season or 2. Not just start, but be good to great. Watt is one. Hopkins looks like one. Anyone else fit that over the past few drafts? We have really done pretty bad in the draft. You can't be up against the cap AND blow your draft picks. The Texans have talent but little depth and plenty of holes. Who is responsible for that?
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My original post above was completely buried by a lot of Colts talk so maybe it was missed. Elevator Up to Buried Post

We have little dead money but we weren't able to sign any impact players either. The only "impact" player we signed was Reed. Fail. All the players you are listing were drafted/signed by...Smith.
I'm not saying the Texans are a good team. I'm open to any argument that makes sense. Saying the Texans wasted draft picks, saying Merci & Brooks aren't producing, saying Antonio's been here a year too long & we haven't got a legit replacement for him anywhere near our roster.... I'll listen.

But to say we mismanaged the cap because we've got 9 probowlers on our team??????

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But to say we mismanaged the cap because we've got 9 probowlers on our team??????

C'mon man.
For four years in a row the Texans have begun the new league year without enough money to pay for their minimum financial obligations, mainly the 53 man roster and the 8 player practice squad. Some people (me) say that is salary cap mismanagement. Some people (me) say this is a big part of the reason for The Texans demise. As of today the results, 2-5, support my theory. This is what I predicted 2 years ago. It's not rocket science, it's simple math. The Texans are on course to repeat the same pattern of behavior and operations in 2014 and as a result if carried out 2014 will be worse than 2013.
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For four years in a row the Texans have begun the new league year without enough money to pay for their minimum financial obligations, mainly the 53 man roster and the 8 player practice squad. Some people (me) say that is salary cap mismanagement. Some people (me) say this is a big part of the reason for The Texans demise. As of today the results, 2-5, support my theory. This is what I predicted 2 years ago. It's not rocket science, it's simple math. The Texans are on course to repeat the same pattern of behavior and operations in 2014 and as a result if carried out 2014 will be worse than 2013.
So if by some miracle we finish 9-7 qualifying for a play-off spot, would that mean you were wrong? Or does it take a 10-6 season to prove you're wrong?

If Schaub had thrown 25 TDs & 2 INTs to now, we could very well be 6-1 right now, with the same salary cap issues.

If the defense played disciplined defense, we could be 3-4, maybe 4-4 same salary cap issue.

The Texans have got problems, but so far it does not look like a salary cap issue, it looks more like a coaching issue.
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Default Re: Rick Smith's poor job of managing the cap has closed our window for the time bein

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With Indy the lead dog pulling the sled again, the Texans are back to the usual view the rest of the pack has. Obviously the Smithiak baby step, incremental improvement, overly cautious "right way" approach isn't "the difference between mediocrity and greatness". It IS mediocrity.
Pretty much sums it up.
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