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Old 10-23-2013   #21
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Work it, Dutch, work it; you're one of the few experts we have on this matter.

I defer to you guys.
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@DR, where does Joe Mays fit into all this?
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@DR, where does Joe Mays fit into all this?
He was signed Jul 29, 2013, which is well after the June 1st cutoff date for compensatory picks. Anything that happens after June 1st does not effect compensatory picks, no matter how big the contract.
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Are we going to lose a pick for getting rid of Quin, as compensation to the other teams?
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...I think we end up with two 5ths for Quin and Casey, and a 7th for Jones. So 3 compensatory picks should be coming our way to help the new regime right the ship. Not too shabby. All done.
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I'll take the under on 3 comp picks. The year before we only got 2 comp picks and we lost a lot more players and signed fewer. I also think Dutch projected 3-4 comp picks for the last draft where we got 2 as well, but I know it's all a guess as there's no formula that anyone actually knows.
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I'll take the under on 3 comp picks. The year before we only got 2 comp picks and we lost a lot more players and signed fewer. I also think Dutch projected 3-4 comp picks for the last draft where we got 2 as well, but I know it's all a guess as there's no formula that anyone actually knows.
Yeah, the difference was that last year we signed a couple guys to minimum deals, but gave them signing bonuses of 65k (Bradie James and Alan Ball). I rated them as not impacting the compensatory picks due to minimum salary, when in reality the NFL sees any signing bonus compensation as no longer being a minimum deal. The NFL counted them as 7ths, which is what took away 2 of the picks I projected. Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!

It's not an exact science, since we don't have the salary structure and rules from the NFL's secret formula, but we can get more accurate over time by using the previous year's numbers to project next year's. Snap counts can also figure into this, but it seems like things are OK so far. Alan Ball is starting at CB for Jax, Forsett is playing about 15% of the snaps for Jax, Donnie Jones is punting for Philly, Barwin and Quin are starters, James Casey is playing some offense and STs. So I'm pretty confident in these projections now, but it could change a little by the end of the year if someone loses their job.

You can check snap counts here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts
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Yeah, the difference was that last year we signed a couple guys to minimum deals, but gave them signing bonuses of 65k (Bradie James and Alan Ball). I rated them as not impacting the compensatory picks due to minimum salary, when in reality the NFL sees any signing bonus compensation as no longer being a minimum deal. The NFL counted them as 7ths, which is what took away 2 of the picks I projected. Now we know, and knowing is half the battle!

It's not an exact science, since we don't have the salary structure and rules from the NFL's secret formula, but we can get more accurate over time by using the previous year's numbers to project next year's. Snap counts can also figure into this, but it seems like things are OK so far. Alan Ball is starting at CB for Jax, Forsett is playing about 15% of the snaps for Jax, Donnie Jones is punting for Philly, Barwin and Quin are starters, James Casey is playing some offense and STs. So I'm pretty confident in these projections now, but it could change a little by the end of the year if someone loses their job.

You can check snap counts here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts
True, I hope you don't feel like I was putting you on blast I just don't see how we were all that impacted by having our free agents taken away. But I hope you're right and I am wrong and I of course value your opinion on this which is why I summoned you to this thread since you were on sabbatical when this was originally written.
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I long for last year when we weren't talking draft until like Feb-Mar,*sigh*......
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I long for last year when we weren't talking draft until like Feb-Mar,*sigh*......
Yep...no matter how overrated or how much a pretender we were last year way more fun than compensatory pick talk before Halloween.
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I hope we have a new regime making picks next spring.
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I hope we have a new regime making picks next spring.
Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the grass isn't so green on the other side!
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Be careful what you wish for. Sometimes the grass isn't so green on the other side!
So you are saying our grass is green????

I think it is burnt and dead.

I will take a chance on the other side.

At least there is HOPE.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/r...ojections.html

1st attempt at this stuff that I have found..
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so two 5s and a 7th.
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How are we going to get a 5th as a comp pick for Quin and keep it even though we signed Reed? I guarantee we arent getting that much, then again I don't know for sure and it's a total guess.
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How are we going to get a 5th as a comp pick for Quin and keep it even though we signed Reed? I guarantee we arent getting that much, then again I don't know for sure and it's a total guess.
Reeds and caseys salarys are near equal. Plus reed being cut and being old factoer into the equation from what I understand
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True, I hope you don't feel like I was putting you on blast I just don't see how we were all that impacted by having our free agents taken away. But I hope you're right and I am wrong and I of course value your opinion on this which is why I summoned you to this thread since you were on sabbatical when this was originally written.
Good post here Sir.
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a didn't they use on of those picks but then in turn fired him for smoking a cigar in a bathroom LOL BUST PICK on da Texans
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Last year we were eligible for 4 compensatory picks but only got 2, so I'm doubtful that we get two 5th and one 7th round picks. If we did get 3 comp. picks then we could really use our own picks to trade up for an extra 3rd and/or 4th round picks. There will be some good value prospects in those rounds. With as many holes as this team has though, I'll be very happy if we get one 5th. And hopefully we don't waste these pick(s) like we did last year.
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