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Old 10-24-2013   #121
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So where would the colts be without Manning's injury? That is the only reason they shed cap space, did as poorly as they did to get ther draft pick they didn and that all happend in the year in which Luck hit the draft. So tell me how well that is managing the cap or being a great GM?
Ummmm....

Irsay decided to step out of his comfort zone and fire the Polian's. He took a chance and hired an unknown Grigson. Taking chances like this in addition to hitting on Luck are the reason the colts have passed the Texans in 2 yrs.

It's time for the Texans to take that step back for a couple of yrs and hire a new regime to begin a minor rebuild. This starts with finding the QB of the future and I dont want Rick/Gary making those choices.

If BoB had made the difficult decision like the Colts did after the 2009 season, like Irsay did with the Polian's, t and made the right hire, like the Colts did in hiring Grigson. The Texans would be in a much better place today. IMHO

Of course that was to traumatic for BoB to make a move like that at the time. Not that as you said previouly BoB owes the fanbase anything, you know like BoB doing everything in his power to put the best product possible on the field.
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Maybe I'm blind but I still don't see Rick Smith as having completely mismanaged the salary cap and that's caused us to suck.
Look at it this way, you begin every month with NOT enough cash to pay all your bills. In order to meet your financial obligations you borrow money from the bank, you make arrangements with Utility Company to pay your electric bill next year and you cut your cable service.

Is your quality of life getting better or worse? You may think you're doing a good job of managing your finances today but what about next year? Next year you will have the same situation as this year but you also have to pay back your bank loan and utility bills from the previous year. Are you getting better or worse?
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Ummmm....

Irsay decided to step out of his comfort zone and fire the Polian's. He took a chance and hired an unknown Grigson. Taking chances like this in addition to hitting on Luck are the reason the colts have passed the Texans in 2 yrs.

It's time for the Texans to take that step back for a couple of yrs and hire a new regime to begin a minor rebuild. This starts with finding the QB of the future and I dont want Rick/Gary making those choices.

If BoB had made the difficult decision like the Colts did after the 2009 season, like Irsay did with the Polian's, t and made the right hire, like the Colts did in hiring Grigson. The Texans would be in a much better place today. IMHO

Of course that was to traumatic for BoB to make a move like that at the time. Not that as you said previouly BoB owes the fanbase anything, you know like BoB doing everything in his power to put the best product possible on the field.
The Colts are doing well because they tanked in order to get the best QB prospect since...Peyton Manning, period. In this league, if you have a great QB you can make an average team good to great and if you don't have one make a good team bad. The new GM in Indy did nothing special but walk into a great situation.
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The Colts are doing well because they tanked in order to get the best QB prospect since...Peyton Manning, period. In this league, if you have a great QB you can make an average team good to great and if you don't have one make a good team bad. The new GM in Indy did nothing special but walk into a great situation.
That and hiring some very good coaches and signing a dozen above average free agents.
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Ummmm....

Irsay decided to step out of his comfort zone and fire the Polian's. He took a chance and hired an unknown Grigson. Taking chances like this in addition to hitting on Luck are the reason the colts have passed the Texans in 2 yrs.

It's time for the Texans to take that step back for a couple of yrs and hire a new regime to begin a minor rebuild. This starts with finding the QB of the future and I dont want Rick/Gary making those choices.

If BoB had made the difficult decision like the Colts did after the 2009 season, like Irsay did with the Polian's, t and made the right hire, like the Colts did in hiring Grigson. The Texans would be in a much better place today. IMHO

Of course that was to traumatic for BoB to make a move like that at the time. Not that as you said previouly BoB owes the fanbase anything, you know like BoB doing everything in his power to put the best product possible on the field.


The Colts sucked and got Luck. The only reason they walked away from Manning was his neck issue. Hoping Manning would recover wasnt staying in a comfort zone.
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That and hiring some very good coaches and signing a dozen above average free agents.

They couldnt sign the free agents without dropping manning and signing a rookie QB lets not overstate the moves here
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That and hiring some very good coaches and signing a dozen above average free agents.
Let's see how "good" and "above average" they are when/if Luck goes down with an injury.
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So what was the reason they were 10-6 in 2011 & 12-4 in 2012? It was the same guys pulling the trigger. We're 2-5 now, because of poor cap management, blah, blah, blah......

has nothing to do with our QB scoring for the other team....... salary cap issue mismanagement or not, Schaub was going to be our starting QB in 2012.

Ed Reed or Glover Quin in the secondary has nothing to do with giving up PIs to extend drives.

We could be $40M under the cap & the fat hobbit is still 3-3 on 50 yard kicks.

You make a good argument, but you're wrong. The Texans manage the cap the same way everyone else manages the cap, Matt Schaub & his pick 6 thing has been our biggest issue.
Does Rick Smith deserve all the blame for this season's craptastic beginning? No. The question is, did he contribute? The fact is that we DID release (or let walk in FA) solid to great players without a viable backup ready to step up. It's no big deal letting Winston (solid but high salary) go but having a long time back up in Butler & a low round draft pick as your replacement plan is very risky. It failed and we are still feeling the pain. Trading Ryans (solid but high salary) has left us looking for a replacement still today. Those were salary cap deals (along with Briesel & J Jones) that we didn't have a good plan in place to replace them. That's as much on Smith as it is on Kubiak imo.

Also - restructuring/extending contracts worked great in the past. Basically when you restructure, you push money from the current season into future seasons. This doesn't work any more. Why? The salary cap was being increased each year allowing you to absorb the extra money in the future. It hasn't increased since the new players agreement. See below chart. It doesn't work now. All it does now it hamstrings your team in the future.

Now you HAVE to hit on multiple draft picks to replace good players you can no longer afford or be able to reward great players with new contracts. That's the only way to make sure you can keep a JJ Watt and not lose him like Mario. Look at the 2013 draft and give me anything (other than Hopkins) that makes you say "The Texans had a GREAT draft". It really was terrible. We picked 7 picks in the 3rd to 7th rounds. Only 1 6th round pick is on the roster atm. Even the 2012 draft produced a bunch of JAGs - Mercilus, Posey, Martin, Brooks, Jones, Crick & Bullock. Go back to 2011. JJ Watt & a few JAGs. Complete whiffs with Harris and Carmichael. What's left? Reed, Keo, Yates & Newton. Yeah. Reed and JAGs or worse.

Kubiak is part of the problem. Schaub is part of the problem. Newton is part of the problem. Marciano is part of the problem. Phillips is part of the problem. I could go on. We need to clean house. Rick Smith may not be THE problem but he is definitely part of it IMO.

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Let's see how "good" and "above average" they are when/if Luck goes down with an injury.
They're are good enough to be leading the Texans by 3 games mid season. They're are good enough to beat San Fran, Seattle and Denver.
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Let's see how "good" and "above average" they are when/if Luck goes down with an injury.
I'm sure that was said about the Colts and Manning too. It took them two years to recover.

That's a little faster than the Texans are willing/capable of moving.
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They're are good enough to be leading the Texans by 3 games mid season. They're are good enough to beat San Fran, Seattle and Denver.
Yep, WITH Luck, without I think they would be wallowing down in the cellar with the Jags.
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I'm sure that was said about the Colts and Manning too. It took them two years to recover.

That's a little faster than the Texans are willing/capable of moving.
And rightly so, like I said, those two are two of the finest QB prospects this league has ever seen, no coincidence there.
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The Colts are doing well because they tanked in order to get the best QB prospect since...Peyton Manning, period
It's more than that. The Colts are playing better than they should on all phases of the game, especially defensively & ST. Luck is not playing as well as he's being made out to be, he's got players stepping up on both sides of the ball.

We've got people who should be stepping up, but aren't. Not because we're paying them too much money, but because they aren't. Brooks Reed & Mercilus should be beasting, no reason why they aren't. Brandon Harris should be our nickel, he's not. Ben Tate didn't get us anything Sunday when Arian left the game.... Ben Tate hadn't done much of anything over the last three games.

You look at the Colts & I guarantee you they're getting more out of their players per dollar than we are.

So if Texian was saying we're paying our players too much due to poor talent evaluation, or failure to see the writing on the wall (Wade Smith should have been cut & Antnoio's contract should have been extended) that would be one thing, but he's not. He (or she) is saying we spent so much money in the past that we can't afford to bring in new players..... but we have no dead money on the books.

We're paying a lot of money to players who had performed well for us over the years, they're just not producing this year. Schaub earned every bit of his $7.2M sallary & a $3.5M good faith win us a Super Bowl incentive is not out of line for a starting QB. Way out of whack for what he's given us this year, but not the gross cap mismanagement some would have you believe.
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Cut Joseph and cut Reed. So many GM here. Apply now.
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Wow, some are actually defending the Texans status quo? This organization needs a major shake up.
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I'm sure that was said about the Colts and Manning too. It took them two years to recover.

That's a little faster than the Texans are willing/capable of moving.
If we'd tanked at the right time and gotten Luck, we'd be winning Superbowls too.

There is absolutely nothing special done by the Colts FO other than suck at the right time to get Luck. They signed friggin Gosder Cherilus to a huge deal when he's not worth that amount of money. Luck is simply the difference between mediocrity and greatness
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Yep, WITH Luck, without I think they would be wallowing down in the cellar with the Jags.
They can do all that without a defense? WOW!
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umm excuse me luck has not won **** yet 0-1 in playoffs
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