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Old 10-23-2013   #261
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Default Re: Who gets the start at QB after the bye?

Lets calm down ESPN custodians. I watch 25 hours of football a day 8 days a week and i think Schaub will throw a pick six when we play the bye week and Kubiak will be forced to play Keenum against the Colts.
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He never retreated. He dropped back, surveyed, slide left and tried to run. By then it was too late. You do not waste precious time trying to run to the sideline when you can throw it there three times faster. By your logic QB's should never throw it because there is a pass rush and it might get batted down. All of the defenders were engaged and not likely to bat anything down.

In the first image I posted, you can see nobody is within 3-5 yards of Keenum and he has plenty of room to extend his arm to throw it away bro. Come on now, you are grasping at straws to show your boy was not at fault when it is clear he was. Regardless of how long we argue this, people will believe whatever they want, regardless of evidence.



I disagree with you, and as I said above "By your logic QB's should never throw it because there is a pass rush and it might get batted down." You can throw to the sideline much faster than you can run there and time was precious.

Let's just agree to disagree.
Let's take time to digest this.
I've been known to watch a play over a hundred of times, not consecutively.
That doesn't help much.

Instead, I would take time off, and rewatch it from different angles and approaches.
I can come back to the same play a few days later, a week later, a month later, in the off-season.

At this time, I see no possible way that Keenum can get the pass off unless the play calls for him to just throw the ball right away as he takes the snap, or shortly thereafter.

The route pattern was such that the QB has got to be protected up the middle. He should not have to throw the ball away against a 3-man pass rush under 2 second.
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It was not a situation where there was a blitz that calls for the QB to either go to the hot receiver in a second or a second and a half, or to throw the ball away, or to take a sack.

Like you said, it was a 3-man pass rush.
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He looked pretty dang good with Bledsoe before his injury. Don't rewrite history. He wasn't always a great HC, but he always did his best for the team, regardless of position.


Belichick was 5-11 with Bledsoe the prior season (his first season with the Patriots).


Oops, was mentioned already.
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I'm fairly certain this is illegal contact, or defensive holding at least, but I guess the home team is afforded some slack in most cases, but still. If the flag was thrown we most likely would not be having this discussion.

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The more things change...

The last time I remember a bye week that included a lot of "self-study" by Kubiak about a position was in 2009. The position was running back. I found an old post:

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As I posted and linked in another thread, Kubiak said they used the bye week to self-study. That self-study led them to the conclusion to make Chris Brown the feature back.

Is that the bye week prep you are looking for?
Ah Kubiak. What will you do four years later?
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I'm fairly certain this is illegal contact, or defensive holding at least, but I guess the home team is afforded some slack in most cases, but still. If the flag was thrown we most likely would not be having this discussion.

Or if we could actually get the ball in the endzone when we had 1st and goal at the 1
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I'm fairly certain this is illegal contact, or defensive holding at least, but I guess the home team is afforded some slack in most cases, but still. If the flag was thrown we most likely would not be having this discussion.

Could be that our guy is about to cut right and leans into the DB before he pushes off. Still shots don't do a good job of telling some stories.
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I have to hope this is just coach speak and not indicative of a really stupid decision.
I think that's all it is. Make 'em prepare for the unknown splitting practice time preparing for both.

Only chance we have is with #7. I fear my man Matty's toast and has been since, oh say, the ass whippin' in Foxboro last season. He won't be back next season and should be rested peacefully the remainder of this season.

And I don't even like Schaub. Was that a digg at TK? Naa, no way.
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Only chance we have is with #7. I fear my man Matty's toast and has been since, oh say, the ass whippin' in Foxboro last season. He won't be back next season and should be rested peacefully the remainder of this season.
It's odd that also coincides with the shell of a defense we've been staring at over that same time period. Arian & the run game & the Special teams are the only areas to truly improve since then. Special teams cleaned up the penalties.

We don't need our defense to play good enough to win, we need them to dominate to take pressure off Keenum.
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I think that's all it is. Make 'em prepare for the unknown splitting practice time preparing for both.

Only chance we have is with #7. I fear my man Matty's toast and has been since, oh say, the ass whippin' in Foxboro last season. He won't be back next season and should be rested peacefully the remainder of this season.

And I don't even like Schaub. Was that a digg at TK? Naa, no way.
Done since Foxboro??? I knew he was done during the Bengals game
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h.../Hall-pick-six

If you count that game, Matt has thrown a pick six in 7 of the last 8 games (counting first play against SD as a pick 6, which it essentially was). Also not surprised that the pick 6 came on a pass to the TE.

It was so nice to not have to throw these dump off 7 yd passes to our TEs with Keenum playing because he can actually extend plays.
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He was done the Vikings game...
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Or if we could actually get the ball in the endzone when we had 1st and goal at the 1
Yea no kidding. Watching them kick that FG was frustrating, and demoralizing, but could have been worse to go for it and fail. That would have surely energized that KC D and taken the air completely out of the Texans, so probably the right decision. Texans had several chances to win the game, they just failed to do it.

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Could be that our guy is about to cut right and leans into the DB before he pushes off. Still shots don't do a good job of telling some stories.
True, but we all know on that play he was breaking left across the field as it shows in the other image, and the DB held him which is illegal contact or holding. Not trying to make excuses, the proper play IMO was to throw the ball away at that moment and live to run another play.
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Yea no kidding. Watching them kick that FG was frustrating, and demoralizing, but could have been worse to go for it and fail. That would have surely energized that KC D and taken the air completely out of the Texans, so probably the right decision. Texans had several chances to win the game, they just failed to do it.



True, but we all know on that play he was breaking left across the field as it shows in the other image, and the DB held him which is illegal contact or holding. Not trying to make excuses, the proper play IMO was to throw the ball away at that moment and live to run another play.
I wondered why we didn't do a QB bootleg and if Case had nothing to throw to then just run it in
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I wondered why we didn't do a QB bootleg and if Case had nothing to throw to then just run it in
IMO Kubiak has for the most part canned that play, because if you watch the last 4 games the Texans have played, the DE or LB is not crashing down the line on the play fake, they have been instructed to ignore that and go after the QB. You can see the DE or LB with his eyes directly on the QB, not even looking at the run action, even when the Texans were running the ball well.

It was the bread and butter of the Texans long play capability, and so teams decided to focus on stopping that play and basically dare the Texans to run it 30 or 40 times a game.
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I wondered why we didn't do a QB bootleg and if Case had nothing to throw to then just run it in
I'm guessing it's because our running backs were beat up, and KC wouldn't have respected the run threat.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfoBxxoWQqs

Hey y'all, remember this? It seems so strange. Where we were. Where we are now. A 5 game win streak. A 5 game losing streak.

There are so many little asides and gestures in this video that it's telling of our franchise as a whole.

It just makes me think more and more that this town is due for a Cinderella story.
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IMO Kubiak has for the most part canned that play, because if you watch the last 4 games the Texans have played, the DE or LB is not crashing down the line on the play fake, they have been instructed to ignore that and go after the QB. You can see the DE or LB with his eyes directly on the QB, not even looking at the run action, even when the Texans were running the ball well.

It was the bread and butter of the Texans long play capability, and so teams decided to focus on stopping that play and basically dare the Texans to run it 30 or 40 times a game.
IMO, that's why the cutback lane has been so wide open & Arian has been running roughshod on just about everyone we've played over that same time. If Tate would run a little more patience, a little more awareness, & pick the right moment to hit the burst... he could be something special & we would run it 30 to 40 times a game.
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If MS starts just remember it is Kubiak's decision not Matt's.

I have always said MS is MS. Not his fault.

The fault lies with Kubiak and Smith.

Stands should be filled with signs clarifying why we the fans are upset
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Kubiak's recent actions make me feel he is tired of being soft and hopefully done with playing favorites even though he might have cost a win by sending them home when he did.

Could be McNair getting involved but I don't think so.

His recent actions should bode well for Keenum being named starter.
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First it was more than 2 seconds, and the pocket was clean. You can see that in the previous image. All he had to do was throw the ball away, stop the clock and play another down.

In the following coaches film screen cap, it is just as Keenum decides to run, but had he just lofted the ball to either Tate our of the backfield, or Graham in the middle of the field, just before they made their breaks, he would have had a completion. But the proper play there was if nothing is there, throw it away.

From what you've shown here everyone is covered.
Case is still inside the "tackle box". If he "throws it away" now... from here... it's intentional grounding. He has to take off and run to get outside the tackle box to even have that option. Throwing it, from here, in the direction of the RB or the TE, Graham, risks a pick six.

What you suggest is a very risky option.

His only option is to run outside the tackle box so he can toss it away without penalty.

Unfortunately, he didn't make it.
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