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Old 10-21-2013   #41
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Kubiak said the biggest concern was putting too much on Keenum's plate. So either Case isn't game ready with our complete playbook or our coaches are unable to teach it to him.
Did you watch Stargate? One of the main characters was an archaeologist who specialized in ancient languages. He stumbled upon an group of people who happened to speak one of those ancient languages.

When he heard it for the first time, he didn't recognize it, didn't know that he knew it. However, after listening to it a few times, after struggling through the pronunciations... he ended up becoming very proficient pretty fast.

Just a movie, I know. But the same principals apply. Keenum has seen our offense, probably knows the playbook well. But actually seeing it from behind center, with the ball in his hands... it's going to take a little time before he can handle the play-book & the #1 pass rush in the NFL.
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Something to keep in mind guys is that we had no running game after both Foster and Tate that hurt. That didn't help our situation either. On the flip side, it going to take some time for Case to learn the entire playbook, but I am glad that he is finally starting.
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A hallmark of Kubiak's offense is that they often run the exact same play out of many different formations throughout a game.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were seeing a lot of plays that they usually run, but this time they ran them from the shotgun or pistol formations.
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I think if we look back at some of my contrarisms, we'll see that I was ahead of the curve on a lot of issues... not all. But since I don't pat my back, or point out pack mentality, or have the power to delete threads......

you'd think I'd have warranted a smilie by now.
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Another way Kubiak likes to outsmart the opposing DC is to run the exact same play he is thinking we will run just when he thinks we will do it. It's very confusing to me.
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I understood the reasoning for the pistol, but I absolutely hate running the ball out of that formation using a line cherry picked for the ZBS. The RB needs to build momentum running North/South and in that alignment the defense gains the advantage because the RB is a sitting duck for a second or two. I just hate it, run the zone read, some off tackle stretch just don't ask the guy to run parallel to the LOS in the NFL, will never work with the defensive athletes in the league.

Should have just went Run and Shoot/ Air Raid all game IMO.
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A hallmark of Kubiak's offense is that they often run the exact same play out of many different formations throughout a game.
I wouldn't be surprised if you were seeing a lot of plays that they usually run, but this time they ran them from the shotgun or pistol formations.
The main difference of the pistol is that the QB is about four yards from the LOS; the RB is still at the same depth. We can have a FB in just the same; he lines up the same as in the offset I postion and never behind the QB as in the straight I.

We can still run the ZBS and play action off the pistol just the same; we never abandon our game plan.

Besides the pistol, I count 25 times when Keenum was in the shotgun (no RB directly behind him).

That's the same number of times I count for Yates and Schaub combined against the Rams.

Against the Niners, I count 27 times.

We really didn't go away from our base game; it's just that Keenum lined up mostly 4 yards from the LOS; that is all.
(Not exclusively, as I count 4 times that Keenum was under Center.)
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I think this is a legitimate question that I'm hoping Kubiak answers sometime this week. I was expecting to see alot more shotgun, but not exclusively! Those people that complain Kubiak is too predicatable can't complain about this one.
Oh but they are. Never underestimate the ability of a Texan 'fan'.
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The main difference of the pistol is that the QB is about four yards from the LOS; the RB is still at the same depth. We can have a FB in just the same; he lines up the same as in the offset I postion and never behind the QB as in the straight I.

We can still run the ZBS and play action off the pistol just the same; we never abandon our game plan.

Besides the pistol, I count 25 times when Keenum was in the shotgun (no RB directly behind him).

That's the same number of times I count for Yates and Schaub combined against the Rams.

Against the Niners, I count 27 times.

We really didn't go away from our base game; it's just that Keenum lined up mostly 4 yards from the LOS; that is all.
(Not exclusively, as I count 4 times that Keenum was under Center.)
I agree with you mostly. The only way the pistol hurts you is that you can't run a lot of counters..... but we don't any way, so like you said, getting Keenum out from under center did not take us out of our game plan.

However, I didn't see as many 2 TE sets & we got to the bottom of our WR depth chart. LeStar was back in the game.
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I agree with you mostly. The only way the pistol hurts you is that you can't run a lot of counters..... but we don't any way, so like you said, getting Keenum out from under center did not take us out of our game plan.

However, I didn't see as many 2 TE sets & we got to the bottom of our WR depth chart. LeStar was back in the game.
I haven't checked the games, but the snap count figures from Football Outsiders saw negligible difference in the appearance of the TEs between the previous game and this one.

The Texans didn't use the FB much though; a big drop off from previous games.
Perhaps, with Foster out early, Kubiak wanted to save Greg Jones some, in case Tate can't go at all.
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This board has been bitching all year for Kubiak to do something creative and he does and everyone loses their mind. WTF ??
Ditto...

The man has so much angst toward him he can do no right.

And that ain't right.
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