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Old 10-18-2013   #21
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Taking away ODB and Juice would make him any less taller, big-armed, or ice cold on 3rd down. :p
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That's one of the things that scares me with Mettenberger .... He has several NFL quality players to work with .... they are that much better than their opponents most of the time so its really difficult to evaluate his play. Is he that good , a product of the system , a product of those around him or a little bit of all of the above ?!
Cam Cameron has had a profound effect on his development. He has a ton of weapons and is usually playing against inferior talent. He did play great against Alabama last year though.

That said, he looked bad this weekend against Ole Miss and was awful against Florida the week before. He just really reminds me of a more talented Matt Schaub.
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I hate his Justin Bieber hairdo, that being said....No thank you
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Cam Cameron has had a profound effect on his development. He has a ton of weapons and is usually playing against inferior talent. He did play great against Alabama last year though.

That said, he looked bad this weekend against Ole Miss and was awful against Florida the week before. He just really reminds me of a more talented Matt Schaub.
The Ole Miss game was bad, I'll admit, but against Florida the game plan was to limit passing in favor of running Florida's defense over.
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Don't get mad Texan Fans, get even. This is my reaction to another crippling loss this time to a St. Louis team most everybody had marked off schedule as automatic win prior to stunning decline. As a mocker we have a saying, " they're is always next year & the draft" sometimes like now, it's all we have, so here it goes, let me have your feedback, criticisms & applause.

First Round: QB Zach Mettenberger, LSU, 6050 230

Unless Texans lose rest of way out or turnaround & win out they should be picking in middle of pack, maybe as low as 10 or high as 17. What a disappointment. Time to address QB position with a high pick once again. Mettenberger is a strong armed competitive leader who could help rebuild this franchise. Dan Brugler selects Zach for Texans #17 overall -


Second Round: OLB Vic Beasley, Clemson, 6020 235

Electric edge rusher who projects to OLB next level. Beasley is averaging 1.6 sacks per game. If Clemson makes it to the ACC championship game, it will play 14 games this season, meaning Beasley is on pace for 22 sacks. Would be a nice bookend to Merciuls, allowing Brooks to focus inside. Red shirt Junior so expect him to come out with big season & Tigers success, check out game next weekend against Florida State.


Third Round: CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State, 5110 197

Kareem has been a consistent penalty machine, now he is headed towards his big contract, just don't see value here & time to cut ties with Texans 2010 first round pick. He can play out his final season then head for free agency in the meantime Texans need to develop a young corner to groom as his replacement. Dennard is sticky in coverage, smooth in his backpedal, similar to Kareem with slightly better hands, not a bad value for 3rd rd. compared to a first, thank you very much.



Fourth Round: ILB John Timu, Washington, 6010 235

Plays & looks like Troy Polamalu. High motor, instinctual & very disruptive. A takeaway machine. Would also help improve special teams, no way this guy wouldn't make the 53 man roster & become answer in middle next to Cushing. Plus pass blitzer. Honorable mention All-Pac-12 as well as honorable mention Academic All-Pac-12 this is a class player with upside.



Fifth Round: OT Austin Wentworth, Fresno State, 6050 306

In mold of a Logan Mankins & David Quessenberry. Texans need another swing tackle/LG prospect. Although I think the line play has been a lone bright spot as of late we've seen what injurys on OL can wreck havoc. Outland list prospect who is a 5th year starter & polished technically couild make a quick jump to next level.



Sixth Round: KR/PR/RB Mark Venric, Northwestern, 5080 175

A true Senior, Mark is a utility weapon RB, Punt & Kickoff Retuner. Think of a Darren Sproles. Texans should not let Trindon Holliday experiment discourage them, just need to stick with your people a little longer. NCAA active leader in punt return average at 16.3 yards per attempt ... Ranks fifth amongst active players nationally with 1,881 kickoff return yards ... Named to preseason watch lists for Doak Walker (2012 semifinalist), Maxwell and Paul Hornung Awards ... Named a first-team All-American at punt returner by the Football Writers Association of America a year ago.



Seventh Round: DT Wade Keliikipi, Oregon, 6030 306

Very quick feet, pass rusher or run stopper. Had 2 1/2 sacks against a very active & mobile QB in Washington's Price. Looks much larger than weight indicates, think he could rotate @ nose with Mitchell. Not impressed with McClain jumping offsides. Flashes dominance upfront in short bursts. Sub 5.0 sec. forty. Has averaged 20 tackles in two previous seasons, so far this year has 14, 3 for loss and as mentioned 2.5 sacks vs Huskies. From a tough area Waianae, Hawaii, looks the part of an NFL linemen from same program that produced Haloti Ngata.

Overall, I like your thought process. While I disagree with some of your selections, the approach is spot on.

1. Not a fan of Mettenberger. The last game with Keenum showed us exactly how good this offense can be with a QB who is mobile. Unlike Schaub who cannot move, Keenum used his legs to keep plays alive. While Mettenberger has certainly improved this season, I don't like his footwork and ability to move. In the NFL today, you need an agile QB, who can move and make plays with his feet. I just don't see Mettenberger as a guy who can do that.

2. High motor guy. Only problem I see is he is light. Could he put on weight and still have speed? If not, he projects to Mercilus' weakside spot. Can Mercilus play the strong side adequately enough to move Reed inside? Outside of that, I think he is a great prospect.

3. I am not as low on Kareem. I think with many FA contracts going down, he can be retained for a decent sum. That said, this is a great pick. Sadly, Joseph is typically banged up at some point in the season. As time goes forward, a replacement for Jospeh will be needed. Cant have too many good CBs.

4. AWESOME pick! I think Timu is exactly the kind of guy Wade likes: high motor, intelligent, instinctual, and a good all around guy. Would be a great selection near Cush.

5. While Wentworth is a nice prospect, I would like to address OL earlier in the draft. I have seen enough of Newton and I don't think he is starting quality. Williams is coming off Microfibre surgery. Harris is not good enough to push Newton out of the starting lineup. If not QB, I would go OT with the first pick...I think the need is that dire.

6. Veneric would be an awesome selection in the 6th. However, for him to work effectively he would require a new ST coach and I hope that is coming. I think he could also be effective in little bubble screens as well. For a 6th rounder I would be thrilled with the pick and options.

7. I have to admit I thought Keliikipi was a solid depth player who I would have liked taking in the 7th round. Then I saw the Oregon-Washington game. Not only did he run down but he had the lateral quickness to stray with and not let one of the most mobile and agile QBs in college football get away. If a 300+lb guy can move like that, I'd consider taking him in the fifth. Taking him in the 7th may be a massive steal and I LOVE IT.

Awesome job as usual sir!
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Overall, I like your thought process. While I disagree with some of your selections, the approach is spot on.

1. Not a fan of Mettenberger. The last game with Keenum showed us exactly how good this offense can be with a QB who is mobile. Unlike Schaub who cannot move, Keenum used his legs to keep plays alive. While Mettenberger has certainly improved this season, I don't like his footwork and ability to move. In the NFL today, you need an agile QB, who can move and make plays with his feet. I just don't see Mettenberger as a guy who can do that.

2. High motor guy. Only problem I see is he is light. Could he put on weight and still have speed? If not, he projects to Mercilus' weakside spot. Can Mercilus play the strong side adequately enough to move Reed inside? Outside of that, I think he is a great prospect.

3. I am not as low on Kareem. I think with many FA contracts going down, he can be retained for a decent sum. That said, this is a great pick. Sadly, Joseph is typically banged up at some point in the season. As time goes forward, a replacement for Jospeh will be needed. Cant have too many good CBs.

4. AWESOME pick! I think Timu is exactly the kind of guy Wade likes: high motor, intelligent, instinctual, and a good all around guy. Would be a great selection near Cush.

5. While Wentworth is a nice prospect, I would like to address OL earlier in the draft. I have seen enough of Newton and I don't think he is starting quality. Williams is coming off Microfibre surgery. Harris is not good enough to push Newton out of the starting lineup. If not QB, I would go OT with the first pick...I think the need is that dire.

6. Veneric would be an awesome selection in the 6th. However, for him to work effectively he would require a new ST coach and I hope that is coming. I think he could also be effective in little bubble screens as well. For a 6th rounder I would be thrilled with the pick and options.

7. I have to admit I thought Keliikipi was a solid depth player who I would have liked taking in the 7th round. Then I saw the Oregon-Washington game. Not only did he run down but he had the lateral quickness to stray with and not let one of the most mobile and agile QBs in college football get away. If a 300+lb guy can move like that, I'd consider taking him in the fifth. Taking him in the 7th may be a massive steal and I LOVE IT.

Awesome job as usual sir!
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Excellent Feedback is much appreciated.

First & foremost I loved what we all saw from Case Keenum in his first start. If I make adjustment right now I would probably move DB back up to 2nd rd. FS or CB, take a strong side OLB/DE in 3rd to replace failed Montgomery experiment, add TE in 4th while Addressing OL with best OT prospect w/1st.

* improve pass pro & ability to open cutback lanes
* better run support & pass rushing efficiency
* loss of Manning as well probability Reed is one & done
* Kareem up for free agency
* Daniels injury status & Garrett has only average overall ability
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Just to clarify Kareem Jackson is under contract with team option for 2014 for just under $3 million.
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Just to clarify Kareem Jackson is under contract with team option for 2014 for just under $3 million.
Yes, that is what amounts to a one year rental. Would be good to bring in his replacement to groom & not have to force a rookie into action like they did to Kareem, don't you think?
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