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Old 10-20-2013   #61
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Matt Schaub had PLENTY of support, after 7 years and only one playoff win, not to mention a second half collapse last year and a horrible start this season where you're setting NFL records for pick 6's the support runs dry.

And Texan fans support PLENTY of Texan players.

What you just posted has nothing to do with "support", it's called coddling. Schaub doesn't need to be coddled. I'll remember the good times, his professionalism, but it's time to move on. It's just time.
Fair enough. I'm in denial because I don't want a new HC and or a ne QB and have to wait a few more years to go back to the way we were in 2012.
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Fair enough. I'm in denial because I don't want a new HC and or a ne QB and have to wait a few more years to go back to the way we were in 2012.
If we're right about the quality of the talent on this team, we won't have to wait a few years.

I know people look at how long it took us to get to where we were, but you have to take into account where we started from. 4 seasons after the Texans took the field, we should have had at least one winning season, but we didn't. Capers & Casserly screwed up in every way imaginable. They ruined the best QB prospect to come out of college since Phillip Rivers. Capers ignored his strength as a defensive coordinator & failed to build a truly competitive defense even with a defensive mind like Vic Fangio (49ers current DC). They created an environment of entitlement & set the bar so low that players were just collecting a paycheck. They pretty much wasted all our draft picks save 1, and jacked up the salary cap overpaying over-the-hill talent.

Kubiak came in 2006 & made us a winning franchise in 4 seasons despite all the crap Casserly/Capers left. Not just the football team, but the organization top to bottom is light years ahead of where we were in 2005.

Imagine we fired Kubiak in 2009 (like many wanted) the new coach would have been expected to get us into the play-offs in 2 years. Kubiak did that. Despite a shtload of injuries. Back to back division titles, a 10 win season & a 12 win season & the 12 win team wasn't as good as the 10 win team.

2013 started poorly. Definitely presented some challenges. We'll see how it turns out. But if we were to get a new coach & QB for the 2014 season, the division should be in reach, AFC Championship game should be in reach... we shouldn't have to wait two or three years.

If the talent is as good as we think it is.
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McClain is talking about a talk with Jones in May of this year. MAY!

Straight up X files s**t right here. The truth is out there...
Straight up X-Files?? Lol!

That wasn't some stretch at all if you were paying any attention. A lot of people had been talking Keenum up since last season, and there was never any unimaginable scenario that he'd at least be able to potentially beat out Yates for the backup position. Yates has never done anything impressive. A lot of people have been high on Keenum's potential for a while now. He wasn't the only one saying stuff like that at all.
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You need a mirror for your rolleyes. Keenam was undrafted. After that all 32 teams had an opportunity to pick up a phone and sign him to their team. So far as we know only Houston made that call. Then once he was waived in cut downs any team could claim him - none did. Then once he cleared waivers any team could have signed him to their practice squad. Then throughout the whole season any team could have grabbed him off the practice squad. All of that without spending a draft pick.
No, CB is right. You're making a complete assumption that Keenum wouldn't have been invited to another camp out of 31 other teams. It is a lot more likely that he would have been. Keenum wasn't some complete no name nobody. Teams bring in several QB's to their camps almost every season. Please do not try and turn this into some idea that Kubiak's offensive genius ways were the only reason why Case is even existent in the NFL especially after Kubiak outright refused to pull Schaub after last season's failures and his pick 6 records that he now holds. Schaub had to get hurt for another QB to get in there and he was still rolling with Yates. Hell, the entire freaking team gave up on Gary Kubiak and let the Rams roll over them they were so disgusted. Keenum is in there now which has an entire freaking city excited now just to see what an undrafted 3rd string kid can do. That is how far this team sunk under Gary's leadership once again and mainly because of Gary's refusal to put Case Keenum in there which is why a lot of people believe that Gary Kubiak was forced to throw Keenum in there from orders through Bob or Rick Smith. It isn't fact, but more then likely true considering the history.
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why would you think you have to wait a few more years?

NFL is the sport of quick turnarounds. If your talent is real, you dont go backwards with a better coach and a competent QB.

Just look at new orleans, chicago, the chiefs alone this year.

You can actually better your team and your record with a new coach and QB.

I understand but what if we can't find the right HC or get someone who wants to take the team in a radically different direction (e.g. change offensive schemes, defensive schemes, bring in his own coordinators)?

Right now I can only think of Lovie Smith as a decent option for HC...not sure of others.
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