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Old 10-21-2013   #181
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I've given him a Commander Cody label in the past. He looks more like Ty Detmer now. Both Cody and Ty could play competent ball so that's not a huge knock. Will he prove to rise above this? I think he deserves a chance to prove it based on Sunday. He looked pretty good to me.
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I was impressed with Keenum and he played better than I even hoped he would.

No interceptions. Made things happen when the pocket collapsed, which seemed to be almost every play. And he made some throws that begged to be seen multiple times with the DVR. You could tell his receivers were having fun, too.

yeah, he didn't pick up all the blitzes, but you have to think our RT could at least slow guys down. Spencer Tillman broke some plays down last night and Newton looks pathetic out there. Dude can't even get in the the way of some of those pass rushes. He was getting manhandled and needs to find a job outside of football.

But back to Case. Dude is composed, which is something we have not seen in our QBs for awhile. yeah, he's got a lot to learn, but that's just Captain Obvious stuff about a young QB. Dude was playing in a hostile stadium against a great defense and still looked good out there. The Chiefs D have made QBs look bad this season, but Case was not one of them.

Anyone criticizing him for making inexperience mistakes is just looking for stuff to bag on him about. Yeah, I get critical analysis, but some of the criticism is borderline goofy based on ignorance (i.e. not knowing what you are seeing).

Keenum is the future. He's got more potential than Yates, and it is clear that Shaub's best years are behind him and he's damaged goods now. Time to move on and see what Case can do for the rest of the year to see if he's a franchise QB or if they need to look in the draft.
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This. This. A thousand times THIS. Schaub and TJ aren't going to cut it, and we don't know if Keenum long term will either, but he's the only QB we have that MIGHT do it.
This is where I am right now.
We're 2-5 and while the season isn't mathematically over, it seems to be on a downhill slope that's covered with grease. I haven't given up hope but.... let's just say we'll need a miracle (or three) to make the playoffs at this point.

Might as well see what the kid can do the rest of the way. And OBTW, how about we put C. Wood in the backfield too to see if we need to draft to replace Tate.

We already know we need to draft Cushing's replacement (I hold very little hope that he'll come back 100% this time around), someone to replace Antonio Smiff (unless he restructures) and a decent RT. Let's see what else we need.
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The problem with your "both sides of the argument" is even when reading how you broke down each side, it's obvious you favor one.. hence why one side is the side of 1 percenters and the other side "is a fair view" I guarantee you "99% percent" of people here do not agree with what you think 99% of this fan base thinks. Further more.. it's getting redundant to have to keep typing this, but I'M NOT A UofH FAN! and a LOT of people who voiced their opinion have been members of this board for years are also NOT just UofH fans.. their was no "supplementation of uofh fans"

people weren't labeled as haters until it became obvious they were WRONG..

People said he didn't have the arm.. wrong

People said "there's a reason why he was the #3 QB.. wrong

People even said if he played well against the league's best defense, they'd eat their crow.. wrong (which is why this thread is here.. people said they would eat crow, yet only one has shown up)


and nobody is glossing over mistakes made. We see them, the difference is between us and the "haters" is we expect those type of mistakes in a first start against the league's best defense, but we aren't dumb enough to not see the positives. Hell when your 7 year starter is making even worse type of mistakes, mistakes that lead to breaking NFL records, at least Keenum can learn.. Schaub is just a old dog who won't learn new tricks.
Absolutely, you're right on which side I fall on. I never said there weren't biases. But I can respect your opinion and fall somewhere in the middle (even if I'm still on the cautiously optimistic side). There are straight up haters, I'm sure. There are also Keenum fans who literally root for him only (typically, and not always, UoH alumni/students). I'm not saying there are any on this board, or that you are, but I know a few myself.

P.S. I never made any suggestions that you were a UoH fan or UoH affiliated in any way.
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This is where I am right now.
We're 2-5 and while the season isn't mathematically over, it seems to be on a downhill slope that's covered with grease. I haven't given up hope but.... let's just say we'll need a miracle (or three) to make the playoffs at this point.

Might as well see what the kid can do the rest of the way. And OBTW, how about we put C. Wood in the backfield too to see if we need to draft to replace Tate.

We already know we need to draft Cushing's replacement (I hold very little hope that he'll come back 100% this time around), someone to replace Antonio Smiff (unless he restructures) and a decent RT. Let's see what else we need.
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The 'code' in the NFL is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. If Schaub is healthy, look for him to start against Indy.

I would think he would be on a short leash and they may have to put Keenum in so the offense can hear the plays over all the boos.
Well, there is also a "code" in the NFL that head coaches get fired if they can only manage two playoff wins in 8 seasons.

Part of that code is losing your job as a coach if your unit is the worst in the NFL. Marciano is still here like the Energizer Bunny.

The Texans obviously never got the memo on the "code".
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So you disagree that the posters you're arguing with want the best for the Texans as a team?
Is that what I said in my post you quoted?

How can we even have a discussion if you aren't addressing anything I said?
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The 'code' in the NFL is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. If Schaub is healthy, look for him to start against Indy.

I would think he would be on a short leash and they may have to put Keenum in so the offense can hear the plays over all the boos.
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Is that what I said in my post you quoted?

How can we even have a discussion if you aren't addressing anything I said?
My original post had one point that I reiterated at the end: there's two sides of this argument, both sides want the best for the Texans. Wherever you stand on Case, don't take either side to the extreme.

You said you disagree. I haven't seen anyone "harp" on his negatives, I haven't seen anyone designate him as THE answer going forward. He had a *good* game. It wasn't enough to win, and that's what we're all about, right?
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C. Wood is still listed on the roster at houstontexans.com as the #3 RB. And there's nothing to that effect - that he'd been cut - listed among the team transactions. Do you have a link?
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Who exactly should he be compared to?

Were there any other qb's making their first start under similar conditions as case this weekend?

I don't know what you guys' are looking at or expect. Keenum played very well.
You should compare him to other starting QBs in the league to determine if he played well overall. In that regard, he played ok. 1 TD and 2 fumbles is not great, or even "good." Having said that, for a guy making his first start he showed some real positives. The guy can definitely throw the ball and seems to be able to keep plays alive with his legs. He deserves a real shot at being the future. He should be the starter for the rest of the year based on the KC game and what the Texans had at QB prior to it.

There's a difference between saying that a guy is probably our best at the position and saying he played or is great. There's also a difference between saying a guy played ok and rooting for him to fail. Huge difference. I want Keenum to succeed, but it takes more than "he played better than the last guy" for me to start overly praising someone. It also takes more than 25 regular season passes. That's just the way I am.

In regards to the weak minded comment, just look at the title of this thread for that. Throwing unfounded confidence in an undrafted player and starting a thread like this after one quarter is about as weak minded as it gets.
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You should compare him to other starting QBs in the league to determine if he played well overall.
Well then you're creating your own phantom counter argument.

No one has said that keenum can play like that forever and be considered a good starter.

What has consistently been said is that in those circumstances, with that being his first start he played well. It was a very good beginning for him.

If you are comparing him to other good starting qb's then your expectations were unrealistic. If he'd have played like a good starter having a good game against that defense that would have been unreal. And even then, it'd still have been just one game.
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Well then you're creating your own phantom counter argument.

No one has said that keenum can play like that forever and be considered a good starter.

What has consistently been said is that in those circumstances, with that being his first start he played well.

If you are comparing him to other good starting qb's then your expectations were unrealistic.
I didn't have any expectations other than I expected him to make some good throws, based on preseason. How he would handle managing a full regular season game was up in the air. He did a decent job at it, but made some small mistakes. I think he can improve on it. They are certainly coachable mistakes.
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As far as the title of the thread, there were people saying keenum would fail miserably and would be a step down from Schaub. Well, he wasn't either if those things.

If you weren't one of the people saying that keenum would fall on his face and be miserable against the chiefs then the thread title shouldn't offend you.

Does any of this mean case will be a legit starter in this league? NO

But it's just my opinion that if the first thing you came here and said was some variation of "he wasn't all that", then you're likely one if the people that have a problem with the thread title, which means you likely predicted that case would not do well.
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Predicting whether or not Keenum would do well was complete conjecture. Truthfully, nobody should know either way. People predicting him to fail are just as ridiculous as people predicting him to be great.

And who said anything about being offended by the thread title? It's more funny than anything, I simply pointed it out after the weak minded comment was brought up to describe people who didn't think Keenum played great. It was more of a "funny that you should post that in this thread" kind of comment.
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Throwing unfounded confidence in an undrafted player and starting a thread like this after one quarter is about as weak minded as it gets.
Putting your reputation on the line after just one quarter is not "weak minded".. that takes guts.. at least more guts than those who bashed every person who ever said anything remotely positive about Keenum have. I don't even know what the hell you were attempting to say above, because it doesn't make a lick of sense

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Predicting whether or not Keenum would do well was complete conjecture. Truthfully, nobody should know either way. People predicting him to fail are just as ridiculous as people predicting him to be great.

And who said anything about being offended by the thread title? It's more funny than anything, I simply pointed it out after the weak minded comment was brought up to describe people who didn't think Keenum played great. It was more of a "funny that you should post that in this thread" kind of comment.
Saying he played great and predicting him to be great are two completely different things

Did I say he played great.. yes, I did, because given the circumstances he played under (no running back), he did (which even his own teammates said).. did I predict him to "BE GREAT".. I never did. Do I believe that he can be a answer in the future for this team, yep I do until he proves that wrong.. but that's far from saying "He'll be great". Once again, the haters got to hate and make crap up.

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You should compare him to other starting QBs in the league to determine if he played well overall.
Do us a favor.. pull up the first starts of other top NFL QBs in this league.. compare them and then get back with us, to extend that pull up the ones who had to make that start on the road. I'm pretty sure you aren't going to find too many that played better than case.. hence the "he played great" (not IS great, but played great) comment.
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You're out of your mind or didn't watch the game if you think Keenum didn't play well given the circumstances. Once Tate got hurt we had zero threat of a running game which allowed the defense to pin it's ears back the rest of the way. The offensive line got it's tail whipped from that point on hence why we gave up 5 sacks in the 2nd half.
I think if you have to say "given the circumstances" that says it all. & 4 of those sacks were in the 4th qtr. From that point on, we can say Case looked better than Matt Barkley & that's really all that can be said.

I want Case to start the rest of the year. Not because I thought he Kaepernicked it, but because I like the way Kubiak called the game.

& I'm sorry If I don't give any creedence to you Schaub hater/Case fanbois..... Matt Schaub haters swing from Keenum's nutts... shocking...
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Lets not forget the potential TD to G. Graham that was dropped along with the pass to Hopkins in the endzone that he dropped and then we settled for 3. He made the plays on those the guy catching the ball just didnt do his part.
Can I go back & cherry pick the Seattle game with ifs?

Is it ok to play the if game now? I don't want someone jumping on me like I'm the only one playing the game.
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meh....no pick 6s, so in my mind, that's a good enough improvement to stay on the job.
That's honest. I can get behind that. Not too fanboi... not too hater..... honest.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

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Can I go back & cherry pick the Seattle game with ifs?

Is it ok to play the if game now? I don't want someone jumping on me like I'm the only one playing the game.
As long as you aren't going to throw a lame duck hand grenade to the flat.. please do
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