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Old 10-21-2013   #161
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The 'code' in the NFL is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. If Schaub is healthy, look for him to start against Indy.

I would think he would be on a short leash and they may have to put Keenum in so the offense can hear the plays over all the boos.
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Some passer ratings against KC:

Gabbert : 30.8
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Romo: 99.1
Vick: 49.4
Eli: 64.8
Fitzpatrick: 57.7
Terrelle Pryor: 45.7
Case Keenum: 110.6

So, Romo, Vick and Eli had an avg rating of 71.1. Those of you trying to dismiss Case's performance yesterday just have some silly personal agenda and you certainly can't say the rest of the team or coaching propped him up.
Good stuff. Makes the people who keep saying "Meh, he played ok" look really dumb or having an agenda.
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There's a lot of dick measuring going on in this thread. The Keenum fanboy band needs to stop gloating after one good game and the detractors need to take a good long look at their evaluations of Keenum.

I was one of the many who had their doubts. Color me impressed after Sunday, and I'm excited to see what happens after the bye, but this whole "we were here first" shtick is getting real old.
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There's a lot of dick measuring going on in this thread. The Keenum fanboy band needs to stop gloating after one good game and the detractors need to take a good long look at their evaluations of Keenum.

I was one of the many who had their doubts. Color me impressed after Sunday, and I'm excited to see what happens after the bye, but this whole "we were here first" shtick is getting real old.
Nobody is saying "we were here first", we've been piled on and piled on and now since Case didn't "suck" like they who piled on people around here said he would, now they want to be babies who are too prideful to eat their crow, admit they were wrong, and are even going as far as creating up complete B.S. to cover their ***. This has nothing to do with "being first".. it's called get on board and stop going out of your way posting nonsense just to hate in a attempt to save face and be "right". It's all about pride and some are unwilling to swallow theirs.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

I'll fess up and eat some crow. Case did a lot better than I thought he would, not sure how anyone can not see that. Not sure how anyone can proclaim he is the qb of our future either, but I'm starting to like his chances.
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I'll fess up and eat some crow. Case did a lot better than I thought he would, not sure how anyone can not see that. Not sure how anyone can proclaim he is the qb of our future either, but I'm starting to like his chances.
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Nobody is saying "we were here first", we've been piled on and piled on and now since Case didn't "suck" like they who piled on people around here said he would, now they want to be babies who are too prideful to eat their crow, admit they were wrong, and are even going as far as creating up complete B.S. to cover their ***. This has nothing to do with "being first".. it's called get on board and stop going out of your way posting nonsense just to hate in a attempt to save face and be "right". It's all about pride and some are unwilling to swallow theirs.
Honestly, both sides of this argument are pulling hyperbolic arguments that neither side made.

One one side we have a group that was ultra-optimistic on Keenum, believing that he would provide a spark and a game-changing presence. They were, of course, supplemented by UH fans (not Texan fans) pumping up Keenum. This leads to the stigma that the Keenum "bandwagon" is already annointing Keenum as the savior of the franchise, something that's not true for 99% on this board.

On the other side, there's a group that doesn't/didnt believe Keenum had "it". It's a fair point of view. They don't think the qb of the future is on this team. They see this game's performance and all the praise heaped on Keenum, but all blame is shifted because he's a young QB. Seems to me that nearly any and all faults of Keenum have slid off like teflon. These fans are now labeled as haters who won't eat crow (regardless of this thread calling for crow-eating being made after ONE quarter [let alone game or even season]).

It all boils down to this: I guarantee you that all Texan fans want what's best for the Texans, try and keep that in mind during this Keenum debate. Goes for both sides of the argument.
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Honestly, both sides of this argument are pulling hyperbolic arguments that neither side made.

One one side we have a group that was ultra-optimistic on Keenum, believing that he would provide a spark and a game-changing presence. They were, of course, supplemented by UH fans (not Texan fans) pumping up Keenum. This leads to the stigma that the Keenum "bandwagon" is already annointing Keenum as the savior of the franchise, something that's not true for 99% on this board.

On the other side, there's a group that doesn't/didnt believe Keenum had "it". It's a fair point of view. They don't think the qb of the future is on this team. They see this game's performance and all the praise heaped on Keenum, but all blame is shifted because he's a young QB. Seems to me that nearly any and all faults of Keenum have slid off like teflon. These fans are now labeled as haters who won't eat crow (regardless of this thread calling for crow-eating being made after ONE quarter [let alone game or even season]).

It all boils down to this: I guarantee you that all Texan fans want what's best for the Texans, try and keep that in mind during this Keenum debate. Goes for both sides of the argument.
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Honestly, both sides of this argument are pulling hyperbolic arguments that neither side made.

One one side we have a group that was ultra-optimistic on Keenum, believing that he would provide a spark and a game-changing presence. They were, of course, supplemented by UH fans (not Texan fans) pumping up Keenum. This leads to the stigma that the Keenum "bandwagon" is already annointing Keenum as the savior of the franchise, something that's not true for 99% on this board.

On the other side, there's a group that doesn't/didnt believe Keenum had "it". It's a fair point of view. They don't think the qb of the future is on this team. They see this game's performance and all the praise heaped on Keenum, but all blame is shifted because he's a young QB. Seems to me that nearly any and all faults of Keenum have slid off like teflon. These fans are now labeled as haters who won't eat crow (regardless of this thread calling for crow-eating being made after ONE quarter [let alone game or even season]).

It all boils down to this: I guarantee you that all Texan fans want what's best for the Texans, try and keep that in mind during this Keenum debate. Goes for both sides of the argument.
Couldn't disagree more.

There is an obvious tone to the posts. We are not dumb. Most of the same people that had strong opinions on case not being good are the same people downplaying what he did or even harping on his negatives.

Not being able to say that he played well and looking to focus on all the negatives is a childish trait. It's a mental weakness. You don't have to say he is god to admit the guy had a good first showing and you were wrong that he was going to be a failure in that game.
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Couldn't disagree more.

There is an obvious tone to the posts. We are not dumb. Most of the same people that had strong opinions on case not being good are the same people downplaying what he did or even harping on his negatives.

Not being able to say that he played well and looking to focus on all the negatives is a childish trait. It's a mental weakness.
So you disagree that the posters you're arguing with want the best for the Texans as a team? That they actually are rooting for the team to fail if Keenum is at the helm? (Although, that's what Keenum fans were doing when Schaub was still healthy).

By the way, another childish trait is "I told you so threads", especially after one game. Sure, none of us want to be wrong; so far, it looks like I was wrong on Case, but before ANYONE eats crow, we need to see more than 1 game (or one quarter, smh)
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people have been rooting for schaub to fail even before keenum was on the team.
Smart...then we'd have had Yates at the helm. Thumbs up Texans fans.
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Couldn't disagree more.

There is an obvious tone to the posts. We are not dumb. Most of the same people that had strong opinions on case not being good are the same people downplaying what he did or even harping on his negatives.

Not being able to say that he played well and looking to focus on all the negatives is a childish trait. It's a mental weakness. You don't have to say he is god to admit the guy had a good first showing and you were wrong that he was going to be a failure in that game.



Saying what he did well, pointing out that he did things Schaub couldnt and pointing out his mistakes is far from childish.
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There's a lot of dick measuring going on in this thread. The Keenum fanboy band needs to stop gloating after one good game and the detractors need to take a good long look at their evaluations of Keenum.

I was one of the many who had their doubts. Color me impressed after Sunday, and I'm excited to see what happens after the bye, but this whole "we were here first" shtick is getting real old.
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Honestly, both sides of this argument are pulling hyperbolic arguments that neither side made.

One one side we have a group that was ultra-optimistic on Keenum, believing that he would provide a spark and a game-changing presence. They were, of course, supplemented by UH fans (not Texan fans) pumping up Keenum. This leads to the stigma that the Keenum "bandwagon" is already anointing Keenum as the savior of the franchise, something that's not true for 99% on this board.

On the other side, there's a group that doesn't/didn't believe Keenum had "it". It's a fair point of view. They don't think the QB of the future is on this team. They see this game's performance and all the praise heaped on Keenum, but all blame is shifted because he's a young QB. Seems to me that nearly any and all faults of Keenum have slid off like teflon. These fans are now labeled as haters who won't eat crow (regardless of this thread calling for crow-eating being made after ONE quarter [let alone game or even season]).

It all boils down to this: I guarantee you that all Texan fans want what's best for the Texans, try and keep that in mind during this Keenum debate. Goes for both sides of the argument.
The problem with your "both sides of the argument" is even when reading how you broke down each side, it's obvious you favor one.. hence why one side is the side of 1 percenters and the other side "is a fair view" I guarantee you "99% percent" of people here do not agree with what you think 99% of this fan base thinks. Further more.. it's getting redundant to have to keep typing this, but I'M NOT A UofH FAN! and a LOT of people who voiced their opinion have been members of this board for years are also NOT just UofH fans.. their was no "supplementation of uofh fans"

people weren't labeled as haters until it became obvious they were WRONG..

People said he didn't have the arm.. wrong

People said "there's a reason why he was the #3 QB.. wrong

People even said if he played well against the league's best defense, they'd eat their crow.. wrong (which is why this thread is here.. people said they would eat crow, yet only one has shown up)


and nobody is glossing over mistakes made. We see them, the difference is between us and the "haters" is we expect those type of mistakes in a first start against the league's best defense, but we aren't dumb enough to not see the positives. Hell when your 7 year starter is making even worse type of mistakes, mistakes that lead to breaking NFL records, against lesser talented defenses.. at least Keenum can learn.. Schaub is just a old dog who won't learn new tricks.
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I've given him a Commander Cody label in the past. He looks more like Ty Detmer now. Both Cody and Ty could play competent ball so that's not a huge knock. Will he prove to rise above this? I think he deserves a chance to prove it based on Sunday. He looked pretty good to me.
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I was impressed with Keenum and he played better than I even hoped he would.

No interceptions. Made things happen when the pocket collapsed, which seemed to be almost every play. And he made some throws that begged to be seen multiple times with the DVR. You could tell his receivers were having fun, too.

yeah, he didn't pick up all the blitzes, but you have to think our RT could at least slow guys down. Spencer Tillman broke some plays down last night and Newton looks pathetic out there. Dude can't even get in the the way of some of those pass rushes. He was getting manhandled and needs to find a job outside of football.

But back to Case. Dude is composed, which is something we have not seen in our QBs for awhile. yeah, he's got a lot to learn, but that's just Captain Obvious stuff about a young QB. Dude was playing in a hostile stadium against a great defense and still looked good out there. The Chiefs D have made QBs look bad this season, but Case was not one of them.

Anyone criticizing him for making inexperience mistakes is just looking for stuff to bag on him about. Yeah, I get critical analysis, but some of the criticism is borderline goofy based on ignorance (i.e. not knowing what you are seeing).

Keenum is the future. He's got more potential than Yates, and it is clear that Shaub's best years are behind him and he's damaged goods now. Time to move on and see what Case can do for the rest of the year to see if he's a franchise QB or if they need to look in the draft.
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This. This. A thousand times THIS. Schaub and TJ aren't going to cut it, and we don't know if Keenum long term will either, but he's the only QB we have that MIGHT do it.
This is where I am right now.
We're 2-5 and while the season isn't mathematically over, it seems to be on a downhill slope that's covered with grease. I haven't given up hope but.... let's just say we'll need a miracle (or three) to make the playoffs at this point.

Might as well see what the kid can do the rest of the way. And OBTW, how about we put C. Wood in the backfield too to see if we need to draft to replace Tate.

We already know we need to draft Cushing's replacement (I hold very little hope that he'll come back 100% this time around), someone to replace Antonio Smiff (unless he restructures) and a decent RT. Let's see what else we need.
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The problem with your "both sides of the argument" is even when reading how you broke down each side, it's obvious you favor one.. hence why one side is the side of 1 percenters and the other side "is a fair view" I guarantee you "99% percent" of people here do not agree with what you think 99% of this fan base thinks. Further more.. it's getting redundant to have to keep typing this, but I'M NOT A UofH FAN! and a LOT of people who voiced their opinion have been members of this board for years are also NOT just UofH fans.. their was no "supplementation of uofh fans"

people weren't labeled as haters until it became obvious they were WRONG..

People said he didn't have the arm.. wrong

People said "there's a reason why he was the #3 QB.. wrong

People even said if he played well against the league's best defense, they'd eat their crow.. wrong (which is why this thread is here.. people said they would eat crow, yet only one has shown up)


and nobody is glossing over mistakes made. We see them, the difference is between us and the "haters" is we expect those type of mistakes in a first start against the league's best defense, but we aren't dumb enough to not see the positives. Hell when your 7 year starter is making even worse type of mistakes, mistakes that lead to breaking NFL records, at least Keenum can learn.. Schaub is just a old dog who won't learn new tricks.
Absolutely, you're right on which side I fall on. I never said there weren't biases. But I can respect your opinion and fall somewhere in the middle (even if I'm still on the cautiously optimistic side). There are straight up haters, I'm sure. There are also Keenum fans who literally root for him only (typically, and not always, UoH alumni/students). I'm not saying there are any on this board, or that you are, but I know a few myself.

P.S. I never made any suggestions that you were a UoH fan or UoH affiliated in any way.
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This is where I am right now.
We're 2-5 and while the season isn't mathematically over, it seems to be on a downhill slope that's covered with grease. I haven't given up hope but.... let's just say we'll need a miracle (or three) to make the playoffs at this point.

Might as well see what the kid can do the rest of the way. And OBTW, how about we put C. Wood in the backfield too to see if we need to draft to replace Tate.

We already know we need to draft Cushing's replacement (I hold very little hope that he'll come back 100% this time around), someone to replace Antonio Smiff (unless he restructures) and a decent RT. Let's see what else we need.
Cierre Wood has been cut, reportedly.
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The 'code' in the NFL is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. If Schaub is healthy, look for him to start against Indy.

I would think he would be on a short leash and they may have to put Keenum in so the offense can hear the plays over all the boos.
Well, there is also a "code" in the NFL that head coaches get fired if they can only manage two playoff wins in 8 seasons.

Part of that code is losing your job as a coach if your unit is the worst in the NFL. Marciano is still here like the Energizer Bunny.

The Texans obviously never got the memo on the "code".
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