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Old 10-21-2013   #21
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So you don't tailor your gameplan to make the most of the most important position on the field (QB) and his strengths?

You don't tailor your gameplan to the strengths of your least experienced, most likely to make rookie type errors, most likely to lose the game for you if he gets it wrong (in this case QB).

I just don't get what point you are trying to make here, I thought the offense showed a big step forward in this game, as much as I'm a case fan there was no guarantee he wasn't going to be well and truly outpf his depth.

You'd rather see a different QB make the same plays Schaub made? Did you think our offense was doing well before? Are you Matt Schaub??

The d lost this game, the chiefs were able to march down the field on us at will, despite having Alex smith at QB. The o wasn't fantastic but not bad for a first ever start for the kid at QB and given how poor it's been to date.

Good to see receivers getting big gains rather than just dink and dunk too, felt like every other completion was a 30 yarder.

Great to see posey flashing again too, that was a bad injury and he seems to be back on track quickly.

yes tailor it. incorporate what he is familiar with.

dont abandon your entire system that the whole offense knows and what your young qb has been learning the past two years.
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that still doesnt excuse abandoning your entire offensive system and installing an offense the rest of your team doesnt really know.

your telling me all keenum has done to familiarize himself with this offense is just to sit in the QB meeting room is a cope out joke. I reckon these last two years keenum has run more reps in this system and it would have served the texans better if they just incorporated some plays instead of drastically abandoning your entire system that your entire offense including your young qb knows.

Learning the system for two years running it in practice > using a system nobody knows but keenum in practice for 1 week.
Keenum played pretty well considering. I would think that it worked.... whatever Kubiak did.

I know I didn't understand putting in the pistol formation for Matt, it doesn't buy us anything. I don't think. It makes a lot more sense that it was put in for Case, that Kubiak was thinking way back in the preseason, that Case would probably see significant playing time this season.

But the main thing here, is that we were playing KC & that pass rush. If we were playing a team with a much more mundane pass rush, he probably wouldn't have gone so heavy with the pistol & shot gun formations.

Actually taking the ball from center, dropping back, then picking up the free blitzer... that's a lot to take in. We could have put him in the shotgun, but you lose most of your run game. The pistol gives us a hybrid look...... it's really a one back set, but allows the QB to keep his eyes on the defense, but still run the ball like you "normally" would.

After watching that game I find it hard to make the case that Kubiak tried to sabotage the kid. Believe me, if there was a sliver of a case, I'd be all over it.
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Keenum played pretty well considering. I would think that it worked.... whatever Kubiak did.

I know I didn't understand putting in the pistol formation for Matt, it doesn't buy us anything. I don't think. It makes a lot more sense that it was put in for Case, that Kubiak was thinking way back in the preseason, that Case would probably see significant playing time this season.

But the main thing here, is that we were playing KC & that pass rush. If we were playing a team with a much more mundane pass rush, he probably wouldn't have gone so heavy with the pistol & shot gun formations.

Actually taking the ball from center, dropping back, then picking up the free blitzer... that's a lot to take in. We could have put him in the shotgun, but you lose most of your run game. The pistol gives us a hybrid look...... it's really a one back set, but allows the QB to keep his eyes on the defense, but still run the ball like you "normally" would.

After watching that game I find it hard to make the case that Kubiak tried to sabotage the kid. Believe me, if there was a sliver of a case, I'd be all over it.

it didnt work. we lost. the game was lost when the offensive line couldnt handle the blitzing. I bet that had a lot to do with completely abandoning your system. I would have loved to see some zone running and play action with keenum.

I mean arent we also trying to figure out if keenum can play in this system? What's the point of playing him if you are not gonna find out if he can run your system?

How would the game have gone if we ran our system while incorporating the pistol shotgun? Wouldnt that have been the smarter move?
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I thought Keenum had a grasp on the entire playbook?

Guess not.
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I think this is a legitimate question that I'm hoping Kubiak answers sometime this week. I was expecting to see alot more shotgun, but not exclusively! Those people that complain Kubiak is too predicatable can't complain about this one.

I also think this is the reason our run game wasn't very strong. We can't run the stretch play from the shotgun, can we? I don't recall seeing any.

I'm also concerned about Keenum's ability to pass from a 3-step drop, which Schaub did alot when under center. The shotgun helps in this case.
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My friend thinks Case Keenum is too small to play quarterback in the NFL but he was very impressed with his performance yesterday. Isn't Drew Brees an inch smaller and nearly the same weight as Keenum? I'm not saying Keenum is going to have that type of success, but lack of size doesn't mean you can't become an elite quarterback in the NFL.
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I think this is a legitimate question that I'm hoping Kubiak answers sometime this week. I was expecting to see alot more shotgun, but not exclusively! Those people that complain Kubiak is too predicatable can't complain about this one.

I also think this is the reason our run game wasn't very strong. We can't run the stretch play from the shotgun, can we? I don't recall seeing any.

I'm also concerned about Keenum's ability to pass from a 3-step drop, which Schaub did alot when under center. The shotgun helps in this case.
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Maybe because we had no run game?

We need RBs who can actually run, and not just take up space on the field in order to do strech plays and all the other run plays.
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This board has been bitching all year for Kubiak to do something creative and he does and everyone loses their mind. WTF ??
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This board has been bitching all year for Kubiak to do something creative and he does and everyone loses their mind. WTF ??
Let's keep some perspective...thousands and thousands of fans with a few folks arguing or just trying to be contrary. I'd probably be right if I made the statement that most of the fans wouldn't post in threads like this. Most stuff like this is just poking the pig kind of thing...looking for a reaction. Being contrary to be contrary, or as some calls it, being TK'd. Let them die on the vine.
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Kubiak said the biggest concern was putting too much on Keenum's plate. So either Case isn't game ready with our complete playbook or our coaches are unable to teach it to him.
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that still doesnt excuse abandoning your entire offensive system and installing an offense the rest of your team doesnt really know.

your telling me all keenum has done to familiarize himself with this offense is just to sit in the QB meeting room is a cope out joke. I reckon these last two years keenum has run more reps in this system and it would have served the texans better if they just incorporated some plays instead of drastically abandoning your entire system that your entire offense including your young qb knows.

Learning the system for two years running it in practice > using a system nobody knows but keenum in practice for 1 week.
They've told you a couple of times already but here it is again. He does not run this offense in practice. He runs a "simulation" of what the next opponent's offense will do.

I saw yesterday as being something of a mash up of what Keenum did know well of our offense and what Gary could give him that was familiar. You saw as much of Sumlin's old offense as the rest of the Texans starters were capable of absorbing in the short period of time they had. Not as much of the Texans offense as Keenum could master in that same amount of time. I imagine that we would have seen more of our usual if our RB's had been effective/healthy. Instead by the fourth quarter all we had to turn to was the UH stuff.

Makes me kind of wonder if they'll take a couple of weeks now to get Keenum up to speed on some more of what the Texans do regularly. They've got two weeks. I hope they put it to good use.
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Using the shotgun and the pistol against a speedy, relentless pass rush rather than doing 3 and 5 step drops from under center made a lot of sense to me personally. I thought it was putting Keenum in a good position to get the ball quickly and make plays quickly.

You can't play action with no running game.
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Except the statuesque Schaub who did exactly that.
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that still doesnt excuse abandoning your entire offensive system and installing an offense the rest of your team doesnt really know.

your telling me all keenum has done to familiarize himself with this offense is just to sit in the QB meeting room is a cope out joke. I reckon these last two years keenum has run more reps in this system and it would have served the texans better if they just incorporated some plays instead of drastically abandoning your entire system that your entire offense including your young qb knows.

Learning the system for two years running it in practice > using a system nobody knows but keenum in practice for 1 week.
I think the change was to allow Case to get a better look at the pass rush coming at him as much as letting him run UofH-style plays.

And with the way the line was blocking (or more accurately WASN'T blocking) I think he did the kid a favor by having him take the snap in shotgun formation.
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it didnt work. we lost. the game was lost when the offensive line couldnt handle the blitzing. I bet that had a lot to do with completely abandoning your system. I would have loved to see some zone running and play action with keenum.
We did not "completely abandon" anything. We've been working the pistol in all year. Probably for this very reason. The only thing that changed in the run game by setting Keenum up in the pistol is that he's already closer to Arian, he doesn't have to run backwards. The action on the line is the same, the action of Arian is the same. Had Arian not got hurt the run game would have been just fine.

Ben Tate hasn't ran well in the last three weeks. About the same time Foster started running well.

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I mean arent we also trying to figure out if keenum can play in this system? What's the point of playing him if you are not gonna find out if he can run your system?
No. He wouldn't be starting if Kubiak doesn't "know" that he can play in his system. We're trying to find out if he can handle being a starting QB in this league. Keeping his head, not panicking, not getting scared. He's not going to learn the system in a week.

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How would the game have gone if we ran our system while incorporating the pistol shotgun? Wouldnt that have been the smarter move?
That's what we did. Moving the QB from under center to the pistol doesn't change a ton for the routes the receivers ran, from the way the OL blocks the run, or pass protect, or how the RB reads the blocks.

What part of "our system" are you thinking changed? Everything else was the same, except where the QB spotted up.
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you guys are funny that complain about kubiak being too predictable on the plays. I like the the gun with case. gives us a different look.

the offense is effective and with a healthy foster in there, we win and score on 1st and goal.
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My friend thinks Case Keenum is too small to play quarterback in the NFL but he was very impressed with his performance yesterday. Isn't Drew Brees an inch smaller and nearly the same weight as Keenum? I'm not saying Keenum is going to have that type of success, but lack of size doesn't mean you can't become an elite quarterback in the NFL.
I thought Aaron Rodgers was a 6'5"-6'6" guy. I had no idea he was a stretched 6'2" standing next to each other, you probably wouldn't be able to tell who was taller: Yates, Rodgers, Keenum.
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The only thing Kubiak should of done differently is move the pocket around in the fourth quarter to slow down the pass rush and give case the opportunity to make some plays with his legs.
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Let's keep some perspective...thousands and thousands of fans with a few folks arguing or just trying to be contrary. I'd probably be right if I made the statement that most of the fans wouldn't post in threads like this. Most stuff like this is just poking the pig kind of thing...looking for a reaction. Being contrary to be contrary, or as some calls it, being TK'd. Let them die on the vine.
I think if we look back at some of my contrarisms, we'll see that I was ahead of the curve on a lot of issues... not all. But since I don't pat my back, or point out pack mentality, or have the power to delete threads......

you'd think I'd have warranted a smilie by now.
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