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Old 10-20-2013   #81
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What are you calling clean house?
Smubiak must go, along with Schaub, Foster, Manning and Reed. The house is clean and salary cap repaired and restored.
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That is simply not true. The Texans cap philosophy is the opposite. They want to keep the books clean and not sacrifice one year for another. Looking forward, the cap is quite healthy. Some contracts are back-loaded, of course. But that is empowering for the Texans, because they can cut the player at the end of a contract and save themselves from the huge salary, if they choose, without taking on any substantial dead money. For instance, Danieal Manning and OD will both be cut next year to save about $10 million in cap unless they agree to restructure.

Also, all teams are forecasting a significant increase in the cap number by 2015.
Yeah, well I remember after the lock out and the signings of the new TV contracts that everyone's impression was that the NFL was going to make it rain when everything was settled. Well it didn't rain. It wasn't even really a light drizzle. More like a drought. I'll be surprised if it's much more than a light shower in 2015.

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Smubiak must go, along with Schaub, Foster, Manning and Reed. The house is clean and salary cap repaired and restored.
What would you do with Wade? Do you think he would be OK being passed on for the HC job? If he agrees to stay, do you think a top flight HC will agree to him as the DC?
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What would you do with Wade? Do you think he would be OK being passed on for the HC job? If he agrees to stay, do you think a top flight HC will agree to him as the DC?
That I don't know but you have to give the new Head Coach the freedom to hire his coaches. Making demands on a new HC from the get go is not a good way to start. I'm guessing that Wade would be happy to stay in Houston if given the opportunity. I don't think Bob McNair will make Wade HC.
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Cleaning house is not just sunshine and roses cleaning house also means getting rid of some players u want to keep

not just dump

Kubes Scahub reed and half of the ST and prob like two other so called star players
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In essence, the Texans have 8-10 players who make minimums ($500K-$900K per yr) instead of players with a higher value of $2-$4 million a year because they've borrowed that money from future years to get under the cap every year since 2010.

Every year it's the same scramble to find rookie/vet minimums that fit under the contract and the bottom of the roster is one of the weaker in the league. When you can only afford $500K per year player instead of $2-$4 million a year player you get the results you get. It will only get worse dur to all the injuries.

In essence the Texans have borrowed every year for 4 years they have compromised the salary cap. Instead of having 100% of the salary cap to work with they only have 85%-90% because they've to pay back what they borrowed. That's why every year they have only been able to sign vets worthy of league minimums instead of potential pro bowl players or players good enough to make more than league minimums. Too many band aids.
I'm gonna have to call BS on this point you keep hammering. The bottom of our roster being one of the weakest is simply not true... that's why you see even some of our cuts like Chris Jones and Clutts playing major roles for other teams. Can you name one vet-min player we had to scramble to find to fill out the roster this off season? Only one close to that was Joe Mays who starts for us.

The majority of those 8-10 minimums you mentioned were the undrafted free agents who turned out to have enough potential to make the squad - every team brings in UFA for camp bodies & to find gems. Wood, Jefferson, Bouye, Tuggle, or Griffin would be snatched up by another squad if we didn't keep. Even then, if you take a look at other rosters 8-10 making 500-900k is not bad at all. Filling it with too many 2-4$mil players would be even more irresponsible cap-wise, but we still managed to bring in Greg Jones, Lechler, and Reed.

Smith has definitely made some missteps, but this story about the team being forced to fill out the roster with cheap scrubs to make up for cap-mismanagement is false.
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Even after signing Flacco to a $100 mil contract the Ravens were still able to sign 3 Pro Bowl FAs in the off season and just recently have traded for a 1st RD OT.
You mean after having to lose 6 starters to free agency, Lewis and Birk coming off the books, and being forced to trade Boldin. That almost sounds like what we had to do to get Arian signed.

They were able to give Michael Huff $6mil to be a backup, $8mil to Chris Canty as a stopgap and trade for a 1st round bust castoff from the Jags to make up for the McKinnie $7mill re-signing gaffe. Dumerville and Daryl Smith are nice adds but even Rick Smith could've pulled off that offseason.
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Clear everyone. Keep Lechler
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They were able to give Michael Huff $6mil to be a backup, $8mil to Chris Canty as a stopgap and trade for a 1st round bust castoff from the Jags to make up for the McKinnie $7mill re-signing gaffe. Dumerville and Daryl Smith are nice adds but even Rick Smith could've pulled off that offseason.


Then why didn't he. God knows we could use Daryl Smith right about now and he only cost Baltimore 1.1m on a one year deal.
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You are crazy adding Foster to that list, has he been a little banged up ? Sure he has, but he is still one of the best RBs in the NFL. That would be a mistake IMO.

As well as Manning, he is one of the only bright spots in the secondary, is he older ? Sure but Safties have proven to be able to play good even while getting older than CBs.
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Anyone assigning credit or blame to Rick Smith is assuming too much. Bob McNair could be making these calls for all we know. The truth is that we don't know who runs the team or how their powers are divided.

Just guessing here....but I think not offering Glover Quin was a Rick Smith call. Then bringing in Ed Reed must have been a McNair call since it made zero football sense.

Also, anyone looking to hang the cap crisis on Smith needs to consider Chris Olsen since he was hired from the NFL specifically to avoid such a disaster.

None of this means that I think Rick Smith should get a pass. I haven't seen or heard anything that leads me to believe that he brings anything to the table.
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Anyone assigning credit or blame to Rick Smith is assuming too much. Bob McNair could be making these calls for all we know. The truth is that we don't know who runs the team or how their powers are divided.

Just guessing here....but I think not offering Glover Quin was a Rick Smith call. Then bringing in Ed Reed must have been a McNair call since it made zero football sense.

Also, anyone looking to hang the cap crisis on Smith needs to consider Chris Olsen since he was hired from the NFL specifically to avoid such a disaster.

None of this means that I think Rick Smith should get a pass. I haven't seen or heard anything that leads me to believe that he brings anything to the table.
The truth is simple .... because of the letdown from the expectations many had going into the season , fans are looking for a scapegoat ... Smith is next in line behind Schaub and Kubiak.
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The truth is simple .... because of the letdown from the expectations many had going into the season , fans are looking for a scapegoat ... Smith is next in line behind Schaub and Kubiak.
Nope

I've been saying Smith was a large part of the problem since the Okoye/Jacoby draft. Then he's on his own in the 2010 draft brcause Gary decided to have an elective surgery during the combine and Rick fell flat on his face.

Rick is more teflon than anything else. Nothing sticks to him. Nothing sticks to Gary either for that matter.

The failure of the on the field product falls squarely on BoB's shoulders.
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Nope

I've been saying Smith was a large part of the problem since the Okoye/Jacoby draft. Then he's on his own in the 2010 draft brcause Gary decided to have an elective surgery during the combine and Rick fell flat on his face.

Rick is more teflon than anything else. Nothing sticks to him. Nothing sticks to Gary either for that matter.
They all blew it in the middle rounds of this past draft ....


I still think he's done a reasonable job managing the cap .... they shot for the moon this year and were let down hard by their QB.


I'd much rather have Glover Quin than Ed Reed tho ......
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I still think he's done a reasonable job managing the cap .... they shot for the moon this year and were let down hard by their QB.


I'd much rather have Glover Quin than Ed Reed tho ......
Do you think they are still paying for going all in on the JoJo/Manning extentions and the unwise (IMHO) re-signing of Schaub/Cushing when they didn't have to be re-signed and were coming off major injuries.

BTW, this isn't MMQBing, I said it was a bad idea when these signings were done.

Bottom line for me is this mess all falls on BoB.
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Do you think they are still paying for going all in on the JoJo/Manning extentions and the unwise (IMHO) re-signing of Schaub/Cushing when they didn't have to be re-signed and were coming off major injuries.

BTW, this isn't MMQBing, I said it was a bad idea when these signings were done.

Bottom line for me is this mess all falls on BoB.
The short answer is yes ....

They do have an awful lot of $$$ tied up in those four players ..... J.Jo and Schaub being the two highest cap hits on the team this season.


I've said before that I thought resigning Schaub last season was premature , but I can see why they did it. The QB spot is the hardest position to fill in all of sports and he appeared healthy.

If anything , I question the medical advice they are getting when Doc nailed the injury and subsequent issues surrounding it as being degerative.


Cushing was starting to look like the Cushing from before the ACL ..... at least in my opinion. That was just a bad break - no pun intended - for both the team and Cushing.


If there was one move I could take back , it would be Glover Quin staying over bringing in Ed Reed.

I was fine with Barwin walking even tho I think he got a bad rap last season when it came to sack numbers. He did a lot of other things well (setting the edge and played well in coverage) and he did get a lot of pressure , just didn't get home enough. He wasn't a make or break piece for the defense.


Overall , I believe they set themselves up good cap wise to go all in this season and make a deep playoff run. The preseason expectations back that up .... Schaub let them down with his abysmal play. Hard to fathom him playing that poorly ....
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If the Texans are great at cap management, why are they always up against the cap every offseason?

I've got a problem signing any player (including Cushing) that's coming off a major injury to a long term contract, especially when it's not absolutely necessary to sign an extention. Make the player play out the yr (prove he can stay healthy) and then extend the player. Kinda like the Ravens (Who are great at cap management) did with Flacco.
Great post. This is why I covet DeCosta, Ozzie Newsome's right hand guy in Baltimore, to come in as our new GM. I want a salary cap witch like Daryl Morey and DeCosta is in the same mold.
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I'm gonna have to call BS on this point you keep hammering. The bottom of our roster being one of the weakest is simply not true... that's why you see even some of our cuts like Chris Jones and Clutts playing major roles for other teams. Can you name one vet-min player we had to scramble to find to fill out the roster this off season? Only one close to that was Joe Mays who starts for us. Gardner, Dobbins, McClain, White Jefferson, PLeasant, Tuggle Wood, Mack, Mohammed, Byrne.

The majority of those 8-10 minimums you mentioned were the undrafted free agents who turned out to have enough potential to make the squad - every team brings in UFA for camp bodies & to find gems.Negative Ghost Rider, the reason they were signed and made the team had more to do with their minimum salary cap hit. The reason they all are minimums is because that's all the Texans salary cap could afford were Wood, Jefferson, Bouye, Tuggle, or Griffin would be snatched up by another squad if we didn't keep. Assumption Even then, if you take a look at other rosters 8-10 making 500-900k is not bad at all. Filling it with too many 2-4$mil players would be even more irresponsible cap-wise, but we still managed to bring in Greg Jones, Lechler, and Reed. Because of back loaded contracts and the number of restructured contracts the Texans salary cap is top heavy and the reason why each year there is not enough cap room to meet the minimum obligations for the year and the reason why the Texans have to restructure so many contracts every year.

Smith has definitely made some missteps, but this story about the team being forced to fill out the roster with cheap scrubs to make up for cap-mismanagement is false.
NO it's a fact, the cheap players make the case regardless of the number of excuses you use. Evidence is clear that the reason more expensive players were not signed is simply because they could not afford them.

You can call it whatever you want to call it but whatever you call it, it will be just another excuse. All the excuses says DENIAL.

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He couldn't and more important, he didn't. 1. Couldn't afford them 2. What could the Texans afford after cutting trading so many to give Foster a raise? Answer, Foster's raise, that's all. 3. Rick Smith is to Gary Kubiak what Scott Pioli was to Belichick. Regardless Smubiak still couldn't do it because they still can't afford it. That's my exact point for the last 4 years. The Texans couldn't get better through FA, they've been doing the ole 2 step backwards dance the last 4 years. It has finally caught up with them and you're seeing those results today.

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You are crazy adding Foster to that list, has he been a little banged up ? Sure he has, but he is still one of the best RBs in the NFL. That would be a mistake IMO.

As well as Manning, he is one of the only bright spots in the secondary, is he older ? Sure but Safties have proven to be able to play good even while getting older than CBs.
I would try to trade Foster. The days of Alex Gibbs ZBS are days gone by. Foster is a 4 ypc or < RB today. That's nothing exceptional. With the decline of the OL it's not going to get any better, likely worse.

According to PFF Manning ranks 55th out of 84 safties. That's $6 mil a year cap hit for a position that doesn't rank in the top 50%.
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What if the next regime wants to move on without Dre???
I'm OK with it.

If Unitas/Montana/Emmit/Rice can be traded or let go then I'm OK with AJ leaving. This is what teams that are good at cap management do. It's the reason future HOFer Ed Reed is a Texan today.
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