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Old 10-20-2013   #61
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So what are the best case/worst case scenarios as things stand at the moment?
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Doc, how much can be diagnosed by the amount of movement in the knee? Would the avulsion fracture, mentioned above, give more movement or about the same as a complete tear of the ACL? Would the amount of pain involved hamper a proper diagnosis because the patient couldn't stand the pain to show full amount of movement from the avulsion fracture?

EDIT: What is the prognosis for other ligamentous and/or menisci damage along with the avulsion fracture? Still ready by TC or 2014 regular season? At what point could Cushing expect to experience debilitating arthritis in this knee?
Too many potential scenarios if other injuries involved. Let's wait until we have more definitive information (if we ever get it) before trying to prognosticate anymore. After the types of injuries that Cushing has suffered in both knees, it would not be surprising for him to develop varying degrees of arthritis within 5 years of his injuries. To what extent it may debilitate him is variable from player to player.
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So what are the best case/worst case scenarios as things stand at the moment?
I've covered these in my initial posts. Let's be patient for additional info.
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So what are the best case/worst case scenarios as things stand at the moment?
He's obviously out for the year. However, Rotoworld said it is not as severe an injury as last year. That is all just rumor and conjecture for the moment though.
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I've covered these in my initial posts. Let's be patient for additional info.
Well, I'm rooting for the evulsion fracture. That looks good to me... I am quite concerned with the accumulation of cartilage damage with these injuries... and that one looks like a scenario where there may have been none. It also, to be very optimistic, could indicate that his knee is quite healthy post surgery for it to take on enough force to break that bone but not have other structural damage to the ligaments...

We will see about some of it soon, I guess, though I'm sure getting clear information from the Texans will be difficult.
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Well, I'm rooting for the evulsion fracture. That looks good to me... I am quite concerned with the accumulation of cartilage damage with these injuries... and that one looks like a scenario where there may have been none. It also, to be very optimistic, could indicate that his knee is quite healthy post surgery for it to take on enough force to break that bone but not have other structural damage to the ligaments...

We will see about some of it soon, I guess, though I'm sure getting clear information from the Texans will be difficult.
That may be true. But it could be more of a function of the hit being taken off-center directly onto the fibula only (avoiding direct severe trauma to the tibia, which would more likely cause an ACL and/or PCL). He may have just lucked out.
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Cushing will just drink some milk. He'll be alright.



They need to outlaw diving into a player's knees. Diving in front and having him trip over you is one thing, but putting your entire body weight and the force of your momentum into a dude's livelihood is fugging bullcrap.

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They need to outlaw diving into a player's knees. Diving in front and having him trip over you is one thing, but putting your entire body weight and the force of your momentum into a dude's livelihood is fugging bullcrap.

How can they do that when a defender can't go anywhere above the shoulders with more than a pinky finger? DJ got penalized for an elbow to the head on a QB that slid immediately before the elbow to the head. The NFL is actively directing players to go at the legs.

Is the NFL going to develop a "strike zone"? If so, I hope it's more strictly regulated than the one that MLB employs.
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CBS is reporting a broken leg and torn acl. Truth or bull****?
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Oh you weren't talking about Cush? "Well the injury prone Cushing goes down again" please tell me more about how you weren't talking about Cush.
You can see for yourselves, folks. I'm sure most of you know the difference between the prepositions to and about.
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They need to outlaw diving into a player's knees. Diving in front and having him trip over you is one thing, but putting your entire body weight and the force of your momentum into a dude's livelihood is fugging bullcrap.

i don't know about that because there goes kubiak's ZBS
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i don't know about that because there goes kubiak's ZBS


Hopefully Kubiak won't be here next season so it wouldn't matter to us.
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Hopefully Kubiak won't be here next season so it wouldn't matter to us.
hehe don't hold your breath. take a look at bob mcnair's comments & prepare yourself to be disappointed.
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Oh, you weren't talking TO Cushing. Wow. Are you currently posting from a mental institution?
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So the extremely injury-prone Cushing is down again. From the way he looked when they helped him off the field, it looks llike he's out for the season this time. And to think we spent all that money extending his contract!

You were most definitely talking about Cushing, in a negative way, not talking to him. You're an asshat, pure and simple. The injuries he's had the last two years were from playing football at a high level, not from being injury prone.
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How can they do that when a defender can't go anywhere above the shoulders with more than a pinky finger? DJ got penalized for an elbow to the head on a QB that slid immediately before the elbow to the head. The NFL is actively directing players to go at the legs.

Is the NFL going to develop a "strike zone"? If so, I hope it's more strictly regulated than the one that MLB employs.
no they are not. they are trying to change the tackling target of aiming for the head to properly changing the target area to below the head and what should be above the knee. that is the proper target area.

what you are seeing is players going the extreme route and now going for the knees which is a lot more devastating than hits to the head head. NFL needs to get in front of this new trend which is the effect of that new rule.

OUTLAW all hits to the knee. They need to to emphasize that. Change the tackling rules to only allowing hits below the head above the knee. That actually would make defenders better tacklers and a much safer game.
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no they are not. they are trying to change the tackling target of aiming for the head to properly changing the target area to below the head and what should be above the knee. that is the proper target area.

what you are seeing is players going the extreme route and now going for the knees which is a lot more devastating than hits to the head head. NFL needs to get in front of this new trend which is the effect of that new rule.

OUTLAW all hits to the knee. They need to to emphasize that. Change the tackling rules to only allowing hits below the head above the knee. That actually would make defenders better tacklers and a much safer game.
You prove that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound. You appear bright until you type something(yes, typing can be heard. You're listening right now to see if it's true).

Football is far too dynamic to expect a player to aim for where another player might be. Hence all the angst about players diving at legs instead of having his head up, hitting and wrapping up. BTW, the head up, wrapping up technique is the safest method for the tackler.

How can a player accurately predict where another player will be, in space? How can a much smaller DB tackle a much bigger TE/WR/RB by hitting higher? Have you ever played football outside the Pop Warner level? You appear to be making knee jerk reactions to a legal hit because it hurts the Texans. Charles did NOT make a dirty hit on Cush. It was clean, legal and what I would expect from any Texans RB.
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no they are not. they are trying to change the tackling target of aiming for the head to properly changing the target area to below the head and what should be above the knee. that is the proper target area.

what you are seeing is players going the extreme route and now going for the knees which is a lot more devastating than hits to the head head. NFL needs to get in front of this new trend which is the effect of that new rule.

OUTLAW all hits to the knee. They need to to emphasize that. Change the tackling rules to only allowing hits below the head above the knee. That actually would make defenders better tacklers and a much safer game.
Just put them in skirts and flag football. Cushing should have never allowed Jamal Charles to get to his legs, he tried to bull him over instead of getting his hands down. This is football injuries happen, I'm already tired of the 50-51 games and who has the ball last.

Football is a physical sport...
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You prove that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound. You appear bright until you type something(yes, typing can be heard. You're listening right now to see if it's true).

Football is far too dynamic to expect a player to aim for where another player might be. Hence all the angst about players diving at legs instead of having his head up, hitting and wrapping up. BTW, the head up, wrapping up technique is the safest method for the tackler.

How can a player accurately predict where another player will be, in space? How can a much smaller DB tackle a much bigger TE/WR/RB by hitting higher? Have you ever played football outside the Pop Warner level? You appear to be making knee jerk reactions to a legal hit because it hurts the Texans. Charles did NOT make a dirty hit on Cush. It was clean, legal and what I would expect from any Texans RB.
boy that's a buncha gibberish. that charles hit should be illegal. there's no place for that in football. what's happening now is that nfl defenders are taking out their frustration with the no hits above the head rule with hitting way too low at the knees.

below the head above the knee. that is the proper, safer target area. that is not a needle in the haystack target that a lot of you people make it out to be. nfl defenders for far too long have relied on lazy tackling technique of leading with your helmet going for big shots instead of getting two hands and wrapping up and tackling properly.

Its the consequence of the espn highlight era and the nfl powers neglecting the safety of the players and just enjoying the gruesome entertaining helmet to helmet hits. They only changed because they got sued.

Im telling you right now, the NFL needs to get in front of what's happening right now which is the lethal trend of nfl defenders going too low towards the knee. They need to outlaw all hits to the knee and down.
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Just put them in skirts and flag football. Cushing should have never allowed Jamal Charles to get to his legs, he tried to bull him over instead of getting his hands down. This is football injuries happen, I'm already tired of the 50-51 games and who has the ball last.

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Cushing should not have allowed that? gmamfb. The guy went low and lunged into cushing's knee. That kind of sh!t has no place in the nfl
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