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Old 10-20-2013   #61
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I bet the fans are livid in Seattle- demanding to get rid of the Seahawk front office for spending all that money on Matt Flynn, when they could have had the extra money, trusting that Russell Wilson would immediately be the guy. Yeah, I bet they are outraged about the awful cap management!!
bad example. seahawks traded matt flynn & his contract to oakland. thus, it had zero impact on seattle's future dealings.

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if you look at the texans books, our "planning" has heavily depended on borrowing against future cap space by restructuring deals and signing back loaded contracts. if you think '14's cap looks bleak, take a look at '15. it gets really ugly.
That is simply not true. The Texans cap philosophy is the opposite. They want to keep the books clean and not sacrifice one year for another. Looking forward, the cap is quite healthy. Some contracts are back-loaded, of course. But that is empowering for the Texans, because they can cut the player at the end of a contract and save themselves from the huge salary, if they choose, without taking on any substantial dead money. For instance, Danieal Manning and OD will both be cut next year to save about $10 million in cap unless they agree to restructure.

Also, all teams are forecasting a significant increase in the cap number by 2015.
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I completely agree. This guy has no concept of cap management in the NFL. Just let him rot away in his moldy 1 bedroom mobile home.
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what are you contributing?

you don't think i know that a low cost QB will help even out schaub's dead money?

you are completely missing the big picture. with schaub's dead money, we lose the time in which our "low cost qb" is an actual "low cost qb".

did you think of that? no, probably not.
Actually first round draft picks have 5 years of cheap labor (with the 5th year club option) so Schaub's 7 million would only impact one of those years.

9 million is the average salary for an NFL quarterback, how cheap are you looking to get. You are the one saying it is a disaster, and the position you are focusing on could be an advantage soon.
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bad example. seahawks traded matt flynn & his contract to oakland. thus, it had zero impact on seattle's future dealings.

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Wrong. You don't know what you are talking about. When a player is traded, the prorated salary bonus all hits the team trading him that season. From a cap standpoint, it is identical to cutting a player.
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That is simply not true. The Texans cap philosophy is the opposite. They want to keep the books clean and not sacrifice one year for another. Looking forward, the cap is quite healthy. Some contracts are back-loaded, of course. But that is empowering for the Texans, because they can cut the player at the end of a contract and save themselves from the huge salary, if they choose, without taking on any substantial dead money. For instance, Danieal Manning and OD will both be cut next year to save about $10 million in cap unless they agree to restructure.

Also, all teams are forecasting a significant increase in the cap number by 2015.
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In what way? You are spending LESS money on the QB position. Allowing you to spend MORE money in other places.
The one position where you want to spend money is QB. Every team covets and would love to have a legitimate $20 million a year QB. This cutting corners thinking is exactly what has gotten the Texans in the current mess they're in. Too many band aids.

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Stop comparing to the Colts to make the Texans look bad. They had nearly 40 million in dead money after a fire sale. It is as useful to comparing the Texans to the Cowboys to make them look good.
Are you watching SNF? It is what it is and The Texans need to do exactly the same thing, have fire sale and clean house. If they don't it won't be more of the same things will actually get worse. If you can't get better then you're getting worse and that's what the Texans have been doing for the last several years.
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The one position where you want to spend money is QB. Every team covets and would love to have a legitimate $20 million a year QB. This cutting corners thinking is exactly what has gotten the Texans in the current mess they're in. Too many band aids.



Are you watching SNF? It is what it is and The Texans need to do exactly the same thing, have fire sale and clean house. If they don't it won't be more of the same things will actually get worse. If you can't get better then you're getting worse and that's what the Texans have been doing for the last several years.
They want to have a good QB, they don't want to spend more money getting one. Playoff teams spent 8.4 million on their QB, all the other teams spent 1.5 million more. At this point it would be cutting Schaub for performance, not cost cutting.


Yes I am watching football. The guy making peanuts is outplaying the guy who just got another 42 million guaranteed. It kinda goes opposite of your point.
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Below was posted in 04/2011.

I said then it would be the biggest decision made up to that point in Texans history. The trade would have cleared money that year to tie up some players we lost the next year. It was a no brainer to me.

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If we were to trade Mario it would happen after this draft and when the new CBA is agreed to. Then it would involve 2012 draft picks and/or current players. If we really want a prospect from this years draft, say Peterson or Miller or whoever, the stars are going to have to align for THAT specific team to be willing to give up their Top 5-10 draft pick (Peterson) plus maybe a 2012 pick PLUS see the need for MArio to be on their team and be willing to give him that big contract your talking about.

I have more faith that Wade Phillips can get Mario to play great in this defense than I do Peterson or Miller coming in as a rookie and being better. Mario isn't going anywhere.

I tend to agree with you. It makes me sick that we will get nothing or worse we sign Mario to another big contract. I would be OK with a proven player and a high draft choice next year. That is better than nothing. The Patriots get incrementally better with each trade. It may not be a blockbuster trade but they do get better and younger. The overall talent level of the team is always getting better, plus they know talent that allows them to continually get better. The Texans on the other hand tend to make trades that makes no difference or more often makes them worse. Have they ever made a trade that improved the team? I know Schaub, but we did not give up an actual player. Have we ever traded a player and received a draft choice or player? i umderstand we don't have a lot to trade. Mario is about the only one that MAY have value that I would trade. Just rambling now not looking forward to this coming season
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Here's a link to some Cushing contract details for those of you really worried.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...as-1-year-122m
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That is simply not true. The Texans cap philosophy is the opposite. They want to keep the books clean and not sacrifice one year for another. Looking forward, the cap is quite healthy. Some contracts are back-loaded, of course. But that is empowering for the Texans, because they can cut the player at the end of a contract and save themselves from the huge salary, if they choose, without taking on any substantial dead money. For instance, Danieal Manning and OD will both be cut next year to save about $10 million in cap unless they agree to restructure.

Also, all teams are forecasting a significant increase in the cap number by 2015.
Here is the truth, since 2010 the Texans have for every year mortgaged the future. Every year the Texans have restructured contracts to get under the cap. The books are NOT clean. Each new league year the Texans begin with not enough salary cap space to meet their bare minimum obligations. That's why they have to borrow every year from future years by restructuring contracts. This is the reason the Texans have become what they have today.

In essence the Texans have borrowed every year for 4 years they have compromised the salary cap. Instead of having 100% of the salary cap to work with they only have 85%-90% because they've to pay back what they borrowed. That's why every year they have only been able to sign vets worthy of league minimums instead of potential pro bowl players or players good enough to make more than league minimums. Too many band aids.

Your back loading argument would make sense if they weren't restructuring contracts every year but they are. Case in point, Mario's backloaded contract paid him $18 million in 2011. Yet when his $18 million came off the books in 2012 the Texans started the 2012 new year only $3 million under the cap.
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They want to have a good QB, they don't want to spend more money getting one. Playoff teams spent 8.4 million on their QB, all the other teams spent 1.5 million more. At this point it would be cutting Schaub for performance, not cost cutting.


Yes I am watching football. The guy making peanuts is outplaying the guy who just got another 42 million guaranteed. It kinda goes opposite of your point.
It seems to me that a few arguments are being muddled together, which confuse the reaility of the Texans' situation.

1st issue: was the Schaub re-signing a mistake? - Barring some unexpected twists and turns to this season, I think everyone will agree that it was, including the Texans' organization when they cut him loose in the off-season.

2nd Issue: was the contract a bad one? - I don't think so. It is a deal that looks good when compared to the deals other successful organizations handed out in similar situations (Seattle- Flynn, SF- A.Smith).

3rd issue:
What does the Schaub contract do to the cap moving forward - Looking at the cap situation and what happened in Seattle and SF in similar situations, I don't think the contract puts the Texans in a difficult position, nor sets them back at all. The one exception is that it makes it unlikely that the Texans would jump high into the 1st round or spend big money on a free agent QB this coming year. Apart from that, the Texans can be clear from the contract without having to make difficult off-season cuts and without mortgaging anything in the future years.
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There's not a lot that could have been done differently. Everyone expected the cap to go up substantially, but the NFL pulled some wonkass math out on everyone with buried CBA details and it didn't budge.

The only big thing I would have changed was not giving Foster the huge pay day(I said this at the time, not revisionist history). He was a RFA and we had Tate as insurance. Now we have a 4 YPC back making elite money when we could have kept the O-Line intact.
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They want to have a good QB, they don't want to spend more money getting one. Playoff teams spent 8.4 million on their QB, all the other teams spent 1.5 million more. At this point it would be cutting Schaub for performance, not cost cutting.


Yes I am watching football. The guy making peanuts is outplaying the guy who just got another 42 million guaranteed. It kinda goes opposite of your point.
Surely JamesBill you are smart enough to now that Luck in his next contract in 2 years will be getting his $100 million contract. No it doesn't go opposite to my point.
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Of course I would rather have more money to spend. But that's such a simplified view. You have to look at how both teams got here. The Colts blew up the team, tanked a season, and got lucky with a potentially franchise QB, who's getting paid peanuts. I don't think it's fair to compare the Texans to the Colts at this point.

I think it's fair to criticize the Texans talent evaluation, as I mentioned in my previous post, but not cap management. There are no impending dead money disasters IMO, and it's always easier to criticize Cushing contract after tonight. But what if he hadn't gotten injured and walked after the season? He's one of the best players on our D, IMO you had to extend him.
If the Texans are great at cap management, why are they always up against the cap every offseason?

I've got a problem signing any player (including Cushing) that's coming off a major injury to a long term contract, especially when it's not absolutely necessary to sign an extention. Make the player play out the yr (prove he can stay healthy) and then extend the player. Kinda like the Ravens (Who are great at cap management) did with Flacco.
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Surely JamesBill you are smart enough to now that Luck in his next contract in 2 years will be getting his $100 million contract. No it doesn't go opposite to my point.
They can extend the current contract to a fifth year. That will probably be good leverage compared to Aaron Rodgers. Can't say for sure because no rookie under those rules has signed an extension yet.

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It seems to me that a few arguments are being muddled together, which confuse the reaility of the Texans' situation.
Thanks, agree with everything you laid out in a better organized format.
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If the Texans are great at cap management, why are they always up against the cap every offseason?

I've got a problem signing any player (including Cushing)
I guess it is because Cushing was injured today, but Foster and Schaub extensions are much worse than Cushing's. Plus Cushing tore his LCL, his previous injury didn't cause that problem.
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They can extend the current contract to a fifth year. That will probably be good leverage compared to Aaron Rodgers. Can't say for sure because no rookie under those rules has signed an extension yet.
If the Texans don't clean house and have their own fire sale the Texans will be playing second fiddle to Andrew Luck much the same way the Texans played second fiddle to Peyton Manning.
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If the Texans are great at cap management, why are they always up against the cap every offseason?

I've got a problem signing any player (including Cushing) that's coming off a major injury to a long term contract, especially when it's not absolutely necessary to sign an extention. Make the player play out the yr (prove he can stay healthy) and then extend the player. Kinda like the Ravens (Who are great at cap management) did with Flacco.
Did you just use Flacco as an example of doing cap management right? They had to pay the dude twice as much because they couldn't get a contract done before his brief moment in the sun. Now he's making Manning Money and playing like Joe Flacco.

Which one is Schaub?
Which one is Super Bowl MVP GOAT Joe SUPERSTAR Flacco?

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If the Texans don't clean house and have their own fire sale the Texans will be playing second fiddle to Andrew Luck much the same way the Texans played second fiddle to Peyton Manning.
What are you calling clean house? I agree with cutting Schaub, Reed, JJo and Foster. Those moves would not take away much talent, and would be huge for the Cap even after you sign Tate.
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What are you calling clean house? I agree with cutting Schaub, JJo and Foster. Those moves would not take away much talent, and would be huge for the Cap even after you sign Tate.
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