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Old 10-20-2013   #41
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If you think Texans have somehow mismanaged the cap catastrophically, you're insane, or at the very least don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry about this tone, but I'm tired of these threads popping up.
Can you back up your claim with evidence?

Right now your comment looks like fanboy drivel.
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Currently the Texans will start 2014 approx. $8 mil under the cap. They will need $10-$12 to meet 2014 obligations.

In contrast the Colts will start 2014 approx $40-$42 MILLION under the cap.


Because the Texans didn't have cap space they didn't have the cap space to sign Glover Quin and thought they could do better with Ed Reed.....I could go on and on and on......
4 million isn't a disparity worth mentioning. Most fans can name 20 million in cuts easily

Comparing the Texans to the Colts is worthless. The Colts bit the bullet and had nearly 40 million in dead money after their fire sale.

GC's contract was 1 million more guaranteed money for a 2 year longer contract and 1 million less for the 2013 cap hit. It was a wiff of talent evaluation, not a cap casualty.
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uhhh because you want enough money for draft obligations and then most importantly Free Agency.

Not all teams have the compulsive desire to lock up anybody/everybody as the Texans do.
Uhhhh... If you're $42MM under the cap, it means you think you're not a very deep team. The fact the the Texans thing they're a deep team may mean that they're not very good in talent evaluation (if you disagree with the depth), but it doesn't have much to do with cap management. Their contracts have been structured in a way that allows them a way out without major issues.

If you're really criticizing the Cushing signing, I'm not sure to hot respond to that.

Edit: Plus the Colts have a QB on his rookie contract. Let's see what happens in 2 years.
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Why would you EVER want to start every season $42MM under the cap? You're not making much sense. Clearly, the Texans aren't perfect, but in the recent past only the Ravens have come close to being perfect in that department, IMO, but that was before they gave Flacco $100MM contract.
Are you not watching SNF? The fact that the Colts have $40 mil to start 2014 not scare you? The Colts do have 24 contracts to replace. I would rather have $40 mil to replace 24 contracts than $8 million to replace 15 contracts like the Texans. That's almost $2 mil per player vs $500k per player. Even after signing Flacco to a $100 mil contract the Ravens were still able to sign 3 Pro Bowl FAs in the off season and just recently have traded for a 1st RD OT.
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Both Schaub and Reed are cuttable without major cap implications after this season. I'm not a huge fan of the Reed signing, but I'm sure that's something coaches wanted.

If you're knocking the Cushing signing, I'm not sure how to respond to that.
how can we cut schaub with no cap implications?!?!?!?!???

in '14 it's a 3mil hit, and '15 it's a whopping 7.5mil cap hit...

2015 is pretty major considering the cap is only 120ish.
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Uhhhh... If you're $42MM under the cap, it means you think you're not a very deep team. The fact the the Texans thing they're a deep team may mean that they're not very good in talent evaluation (if you disagree with the depth), but it doesn't have much to do with cap management. Their contracts have been structured in a way that allows them a way out without major issues.

If you're really criticizing the Cushing signing, I'm not sure to hot respond to that.
If you're not criticizing the Cushing extension, I'm not sure how to respond to that.
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Are you not watching SNF? The fact that the Colts have $40 mil to start 2014 not scare you? The Colts do have 24 contracts to replace. I would rather have $40 mil to replace 24 contracts than $8 million to replace 15 contracts like the Texans. Even after signing Flacco to a $100 mil contract the Ravens were still able to sign 3 Pro Bowl FAs in the off season and just recently have traded for a 1st RD OT.
I completely agree. This guy has no concept of cap management in the NFL. Just let him rot away in his moldy 1 bedroom mobile home.
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how can we cut schaub with no cap implications?!?!?!?!???

in '14 it's a 3mil hit, and '15 it's a whopping 7.5mil cap hit...

2015 is pretty major considering the cap is only 120ish.
10.5 million is a large hit but if you take into consideration his replacement will make significantly less, it doesn't mean much. A first round draft pick, plus Schaubs dead money, would be millions less than having Schaub on the roster in 2014 and 2015.

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I completely agree. This guy has no concept of cap management in the NFL. Just let him rot away in his moldy 1 bedroom mobile home.
Now I regret responding to you. You haven't brought much insight and are slinging personal insults.
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10.5 million is a large hit but if you take into consideration his replacement will make significantly less, it doesn't mean much. A first round draft pick, plus Schaubs dead money, would be millions less than having Schaub on the roster in 2014 and 2015.
haha. 10.5 in dead money is a huge deal no matter how you spin it.
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Sorry Paycheck, in this case I do know what I'm talking about. The Texans have done a very poor job of managing the salary cap since 2010. see below



Rick is doing what he's told to do. Rick is to Gary what Scott Pioli was to Bill Belichick. The Texans have mortgaged the future every year since 2010. Each year since 2010 if the Texans haven't been over the cap to start the new year they don't have enough cap space to fill out the roster. Every year they restructure contracts to borrow money from future years to get 53 players under contract and 8 players signed to the practice squad.

In essence, the Texans have 8-10 players who make minimums ($500K-$900K per yr) instead of players with a higher value of $2-$4 million a year because they've borrowed that money from future years to get under the cap every year since 2010. Just so you know the Texans will be in the same position in 2014 they've been in the last 4 years. 2015 is worse. Currently the Texans will start 2014 approx. $8 mil under the cap. They will need $10-$12 to meet 2014 obligations. In contrast the Colts will start 2014 approx $40-$42 MILLION under the cap.

Every year it's the same scramble to find rookie/vet minimums that fit under the contract and the bottom of the roster is one of the weaker in the league. When you can only afford $500K per year player instead of $2-$4 million a year player you get the results you get. It will only get worse dur to all the injuries.

When Mario Williams became a free agent his $18 million salary came off the books YET the Texans started the new year only $3 million under the cap.

In order to sign Arian Foster to a long term contract at $8 mil a year the Texans had to release Winston, Lawrence, Lienart, Jones and trade Ryans. At the time Foster was a RFA and could've been tendered at $2 mil for the season saving $6 million. Because the Texans didn't have cap space they didn't have the cap space to sign Glover Quin and thought they could do better with Ed Reed.....I could go on and on and on......Here is a list of players that have been let go because of NO salary cap and have not been replaced by equal or better talent and that's BAD Salary Cap management..

Winston, Brisel, Dreessen, Ryans, Lawrence, Leach, Jones, Barwin, Casey, Quin and Mario.

The Texans need to clean house and have a fire sale in order for this team to be in a position to get better every year instead of band aids to maintain the status go or the all to familiar couple of steps backwards.
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This is what I've been saying has been the root of the problem. With that said, a great draft which would include 5 major contributors in the OL/DL/DB's would help solve alot of those problems. History says we shouldn't expect this out of a Rick Smith draft class.

What's sad is, even if Case is the answer at QB at a very low cap number, the Texans will still have cap problems. The reason that Gary mortgaged the future is after he decided to sit out the 2010 offseason (Elective surgery, missed the combine, after a glorius 9-7 2009 season) and the team fell on its face. He had to mortgage the future to save his job. This org has been chasing its collective tail since then.

This is as plain as day and I dont understand why some very intelligent posters on this MB cant see the problem.
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how can we cut schaub with no cap implications?!?!?!?!???

in '14 it's a 3mil hit, and '15 it's a whopping 7.5mil cap hit...

2015 is pretty major considering the cap is only 120ish.
If they cut him after this year, they take a $10.5MM dead money cap hit, which is also a $4MM cap savings over keeping him. They gain $4MM in cap room by cutting him. How's that a major cap implication?
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Uhhhh... If you're $42MM under the cap, it means you think you're not a very deep team. The fact the the Texans thing they're a deep team may mean that they're not very good in talent evaluation (if you disagree with the depth), but it doesn't have much to do with cap management. Their contracts have been structured in a way that allows them a way out without major issues.

If you're really criticizing the Cushing signing, I'm not sure to hot respond to that.

Edit: Plus the Colts have a QB on his rookie contract. Let's see what happens in 2 years.
Would you rather have $42 mil for 24 contracts COLTS ($1.75 mil per player ) or $8 mil for 15 contracts TEXANS ($500K per player)? This is not a trick question. If you think 2013 is BAD WAIT until 2014. And 2015 is worse.
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haha. 10.5 in dead money is a huge deal no matter how you spin it.
In what way? You are spending LESS money on the QB position. Allowing you to spend MORE money in other places.
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10.5 million is a large hit but if you take into consideration his replacement will make significantly less, it doesn't mean much. A first round draft pick, plus Schaubs dead money, would be millions less than having Schaub on the roster in 2014 and 2015.



Now I regret responding to you. You haven't brought much insight and are slinging personal insults.
what are you contributing?

you don't think i know that a low cost QB will help even out schaub's dead money?

you are completely missing the big picture. with schaub's dead money, we lose the time in which our "low cost qb" is an actual "low cost qb".

did you think of that? no, probably not.
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I completely agree. This guy has no concept of cap management in the NFL. Just let him rot away in his moldy 1 bedroom mobile home.
Ahhh, I see. I have nothing else to say to you.
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haha. 10.5 in dead money is a huge deal no matter how you spin it.
Not really. If you discovered his replacement (and it's an upgrade) at a price that does not impact the cap at all, then the team can take that cap hit and make the transition without having to alter its cap/personnel plans. Sure it would be better to not have that dead money. However, they planned for 2014 with Schaub's salary on the books. So, it is an easy and clean transition, if it is done.
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Not really. If you discovered his replacement (and it's an upgrade) at a price that does not impact the cap at all, then the team can take that cap hit and make the transition without having to alter its cap/personnel plans. Sure it would be better to not have that dead money. However, they planned for 2014 with Schaub's salary on the books. So, it is an easy and clean transition, if it is done.
if you look at the texans books, our "planning" has heavily depended on borrowing against future cap space by restructuring deals and signing back loaded contracts. if you think '14's cap looks bleak, take a look at '15. it gets really ugly.
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Would you rather have $42 mil for 24 contracts COLTS ($1.75 mil per player ) or $8 mil for 15 contracts TEXANS ($500K per player)? This is not a trick question. If you think 2013 is BAD WAIT until 2014. And 2015 is worse.
Stop comparing to the Colts to make the Texans look bad. They had nearly 40 million in dead money after a fire sale. It is as useful to comparing the Texans to the Cowboys to make them look good.
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what are you contributing?

you don't think i know that a low cost QB will help even out schaub's dead money?

you are completely missing the big picture. with schaub's dead money, we lose the time in which our "low cost qb" is an actual "low cost qb".

did you think of that? no, probably not.
I bet the fans are livid in Seattle- demanding to get rid of the Seahawk front office for spending all that money on Matt Flynn, when they could have had the extra money, trusting that Russell Wilson would immediately be the guy. Yeah, I bet they are outraged about the awful cap management!!
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Would you rather have $42 mil for 24 contracts COLTS ($1.75 mil per player ) or $8 mil for 15 contracts TEXANS ($500K per player)? This is not a trick question. If you think 2013 is BAD WAIT until 2014. And 2015 is worse.
Of course I would rather have more money to spend. But that's such a simplified view. You have to look at how both teams got here. The Colts blew up the team, tanked a season, and got lucky with a potentially franchise QB, who's getting paid peanuts. I don't think it's fair to compare the Texans to the Colts at this point.

I think it's fair to criticize the Texans talent evaluation, as I mentioned in my previous post, but not cap management. There are no impending dead money disasters IMO, and it's always easier to criticize Cushing contract after tonight. But what if he hadn't gotten injured and walked after the season? He's one of the best players on our D, IMO you had to extend him.
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