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Old 10-20-2013   #101
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I'll say this about you. You consistently have some of the strangest, most off the wall takes of anyone I have ever seen. TIFWIW.
Lol. Thunder doesn't believe half the stuff he says; he tosses things out there just to get a response out of people. You have to learn to read what he says, and ignore most of it.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

I just looked at the stats..

- The entire second half we didn't convert a single 3rd down conversion.
- Every 3rd down conversion in the second half, Keenum had the ball in his hands.
- We made 0 adjustments in the second half, and go out coached again, shocker.

He *has* to be better on 3rd down this has killed us for the last couple years and it still is..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...20012&period=3
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...20012&period=4

Drives in the second half:

15:00 3 02:46 HOU 20 5 9 Punt
11:31 3 02:07 KAN 28 5 25 Field Goal
06:07 3 01:46 HOU 20 5 51 Field Goal
13:43 4 02:00 HOU 1 5 30 Punt
09:37 4 02:12 HOU 41 3 -18 Punt
05:47 4 01:43 HOU 22 3 -4 Punt
01:46 4 00:12 HOU 10 2 -9 Fumble
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I just looked at the stats..

- The entire second half we didn't convert a single 3rd down conversion.
- Every 3rd down conversion in the second half, Keenum had the ball in his hands.
- We made 0 adjustments in the second half, and go out coached again, shocker.

He *has* to be better on 3rd down this has killed us for the last couple years and it still is..

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...20012&period=3
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playby...20012&period=4

Drives in the second half:

15:00 3 02:46 HOU 20 5 9 Punt
11:31 3 02:07 KAN 28 5 25 Field Goal
06:07 3 01:46 HOU 20 5 51 Field Goal
13:43 4 02:00 HOU 1 5 30 Punt
09:37 4 02:12 HOU 41 3 -18 Punt
05:47 4 01:43 HOU 22 3 -4 Punt
01:46 4 00:12 HOU 10 2 -9 Fumble
He was fantastic on that down when he had a running threat..

I never even knew we only activate 2 running backs until today (go figure). Out of any position, that is the one position where I'd make sure I had "backup". On any given tackle you could be out for the year.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

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I don't know if took 1 qtr or 2... but I'd be surprised if Schaub ever starts for the Texans again.

But... for the next two weeks I'll be telling everyone that Matt will start after the bye if he's healthy. I'd tell Schaub he's my guy if he's healthy, but we're going to be extra cautious with his ankle/leg thing. I continue pushing Keenum as the starter in practice.

When asked, I'm telling them Matt's doing well, he's likely to start, he could have practiced, but we're "going to be smart"

For two weeks. Then day of the game, Schaub is going on IR.

I say this as a guy that thinks Keenum was pretty good in his first game. But he didn't light it up like I would have liked to have seen to name him the starter. I say this, knowing I did not get the spark I was looking for from my running game, or my defense that I was hoping he would provide. I say this knowing that I said the one thing he could not do was fumble the ball when he gets sacked... that one in particular was no different than the Matt Schaub pick 6 at the end of the Raven's game in OT a couple of years ago.

But on that third & three play that turned into the DeAndre Hopkins TD.... I think Kubiak has already made up his mind. I'm not going to say that the play book was more expansive than with Schaub like they're saying on the radio, but the strategy has definitely changed for the better. Kubiak hasn't taken that risk with Schaub in a long time, not that I can remember..... I could very well be wrong, but I know I was not expecting a shot into the end zone in that situation.

& people might not like it, but I'll say it. Schaub is the better QB right now, it's not even close. But Case gives you a better chance to win... & it's not even close.

I think Keenum earned the right to prove he can be a starter, but he's not a legit starter. Keep in mind, I don't think Kaepernick, Luck, Weeden, or Sanchez are starters either.


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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

LOL, even the chiefs' CBs are praising Case Keenum. The haters are just that.. haters, we're looking at the next starting QB of the Houston Texans.
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I posted the missed TD. Another one that sticks out was the floater in the 4th quarter that could have been picked off, but was complete for a two yard gain. He threw a couple balls in the dirt.
The things you listed were not huge mistakes (imo). On the floater to Graham, Keenum had pressure in his face and he threw that ball off his back foot. Graham was wide open on that play, Keenum just has to put more zip on it.

The only time I recall he threw the ball in the dirt was the WR screen to Posey. That play was completely broken. KC read it perfectly and had it been completed it would have gone for -2 yards. The KC defense also had three defenders in the backfield so Keenum didn't have time to find another WR to throw the ball to. I think the smart play is to throw the ball into the dirt there.

Overall I think Keenum did an excellent job considering it was his first start. He made some mistakes and he has to learn to read the blitz better but I think he did good enough to get the start against the Colts and I will be a little disappointed if he doesn't.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

After reading so much criticism of Case, I have to ask, why is it a bad thing for Case to be successful?
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He made some bad throws.
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After reading so much criticism of Case, I have to ask, why is it a bad thing for Case to be successful?
Because then people can't say I told you so.

So much hesitancy to say all things considered he played well, but the first big mistake the keenum haters going to be all over the place. I promise that the first pick he throws people will be all over him.

It's illogical. Schaub has done nothing for almost a year to make someone believe he can qb a team to a superbowl. Keenum shows all kinds of promise I'm his first start against a really good d on the road in the loudest stadium in the nfl, with no running game...spreading the wealth amongst receivers...going down field...

But people are downplaying it and talking about starting Schaub. It's illogical and silly. Makes 0 sense. I don't take a lot of people serious on certain topics because they just have some bias for some reason. I have a lot more respect for folks that stand up and say I could be wrong or I was wrong.

I can even be ok with people that just say nothing.

But to come out and speak out against what the guy did today is just silly.
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I posted the missed TD. Another one that sticks out was the floater in the 4th quarter that could have been picked off, but was complete for a two yard gain. He threw a couple balls in the dirt.
The missed TD I can see, but it was still better than ANYTHING schaub has thrown in a full year. Mediocre, but not horrible. That "floater" was a tipped pass. Not the same thing.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

Case played ok. He wasn't great nor bad,just ok. Very good throw on the td and a couple of slants. Has some bad throws on some of those same routes.
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Default Re: .. and it only took a quarter, so who's ready to eat crow?

keenum played amazing for his 1st start against an elite chiefs team at home.

the key is to make adjustments (against blitzs etc)

we win this game with a healthy foster.
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Case played ok.
andy reid, john mclain, kubiak, and a bunch of chief fans disagree....
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Case played ok. He wasn't great nor bad,just ok. Very good throw on the td and a couple of slants. Has some bad throws on some of those same routes.
You still think he doesn't have enough arm?
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Case played ok. He wasn't great nor bad,just ok. Very good throw on the td and a couple of slants. Has some bad throws on some of those same routes.
I actually respect your takes. I don't know your background but I can tell that you actually know football.

Don't agree with all your takes of course....but you are being biased here as well because of your prior proclamations.

For his first start to go along with everything else that came with it, he showed very well. It was not ok. It was a very good showing for him.

Does he have some things to work on? Heck yes. Is it guaranteed he gets the kinks out? No.

But this was a very good first game for him.
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I actually respect your takes. I don't know your background but I can tell that you actually know football.

Don't agree with all your takes of course....but you are being biased here as well because of your prior proclamations.

For his first start to go along with everything else that came with it, he showed very well. It was not ok. It was a very good showing for him.

Does he have some things to work on? Heck yes. Is it guaranteed he gets the kinks out? No.

But this was a very good first game for him.
It was a great showing.. and before the haters try to pile on.. those words came from our future HOF WR (As well as teammates and coaches).. Andre called his play "great" and it was great. What he displayed in his first NFL start was nothing short of "great"

The haters need to hit the brakes and step aside and be open to the new era of football. Case looked like a great player against the best defense in the league.. imagine what he'll do to other people..
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You still think he doesn't have enough arm?

Yeah. Did u see anything to prove otherwise? The routes were the same as with the other qb. That td was a great touch pass.Without being too critical, the field position,down and distance was a good time to shoot his gun.
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Yeah. Did u see anything to prove otherwise?
First long pass of the game, incomplete to Graham. Across the width of the field, not having his feet set, and 44 yards int he air. That's what we call an NFL arm, kiddos.
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I think he needs to start for the rest of the season...but i am by no means convinced we still dont need to pick up a qb early in the draft just yet....maybe we can push it back to the 2nd round.....
I don't necessarily think we should draft a QB in the first, never did. It depends on who's there & who will be there later. I said last year that our #1 pick should be a WR. With the way Tavon Austin & Corderrelle Patterson are looking, I'm glad they took Hopkins.

But that second round pick. I thought it would be nice to get a safety, since we play 3 safeties so often, but I thought we'd take this offense to another level if we'd have drafted a tackle in that second round.

Then again I wasn't too upset when we took Brennan Williams in the third.


What could have been, eh?
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First long pass of the game, incomplete to Graham. Across the width of the field, not having his feet set, and 44 yards int he air. That's what we call an NFL arm, kiddos.
The td was 30yds. The graham pass was a floater. The hopkins drag rt from left to right hung and was behind. Didn't se any "stick" throws especially to the zones I knew he'd struggle.
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