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Old 10-18-2013   #161
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This just proves what I thought all along, "in a tie, the tiebreaker went to the incumbent". T.J. didn't really outright win the #2 spot and Case never lost it either.

I always felt the spot should've went to Case from the get go though, because if a third year player who's been playing in the same system for 7 years is already being pushed by a 2nd year UDFA who's learning the new system, go with the guy who's making exponential improvement.
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Yes, for better or worse, here we are.
I think either way it's for the better. It'll either be better this year or better in the future. Even if case flops, I think we'd be looking at qb early in the draft.
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Why bring back these old ass posts?

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This just proves what I thought all along, "in a tie, the tiebreaker went to the incumbent". T.J. didn't really outright win the #2 spot and Case never lost it either.

I always felt the spot should've went to Case from the get go though, because if a third year player who's been playing in the same system for 7 years is already being pushed by a 2nd year UDFA who's learning the new system, go with the guy who's making exponential improvement.
I kind of felt the same way about the outcome, but I didn't have a problem with Yates being 2. Really there was no need to keep a young third qb if they didn't like him...so I figured he'd get a shot at some point.
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Why bring back these old ass posts?

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Everyone is wrong or misinformed about something at some point(s).

I like these old threads because it's like a time capsule. They are interesting to read through and see what people thought at the time.
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Why bother posting in a thread you obviosly don't care for? Nobody twisted your arm.

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I always thought the only reason Yates was the #2 over Keenum was because Yates was further along in the playbook being he has ran this system in college and 2 1/2 years with Kubiak. Keenum has only been in this system for a year and a half where Yates has been in this system for like 5 years now.

I never thought it had to do with talent, just knowledge of the playbook
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I always felt the spot should've went to Case from the get go though, because if a third year player who's been playing in the same system for 7 years is already being pushed by a 2nd year UDFA who's learning the new system, go with the guy who's making exponential improvement.
I always thought Kubiak was putting together his Super Bowl or bust plan. We were going to have three QBs on this roster, just in case. Tj was going to get the #2 spot regardless, because Kubiak doesn't want to go into the play offs a third year in a row with a QB playing his first ever play off game.

But dropping 4 in a row, he doesn't have the luxury to think about that right now. He's still holding on to Schaub getting healthy & making a come back:
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If this team looks like the team we thought they were come Sunday, we're going to find out whether we're right or wrong about Gary Kubiak. There's a good chance he'll think the team will play the same way if he sticks Schaub back in there.
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I always thought the only reason Yates was the #2 over Keenum was because Yates was further along in the playbook being he has ran this system in college and 2 1/2 years with Kubiak. Keenum has only been in this system for a year and a half where Yates has been in this system for like 5 years now.

I never thought it had to do with talent, just knowledge of the playbook


I think Yates was still ahead(Clearly he went in for Matt) but throwing two ints Gary just said f it put Case in there the worst thing he can do is throw picks
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This just proves what I thought all along, "in a tie, the tiebreaker went to the incumbent". T.J. didn't really outright win the #2 spot and Case never lost it either.

I always felt the spot should've went to Case from the get go though, because if a third year player who's been playing in the same system for 7 years is already being pushed by a 2nd year UDFA who's learning the new system, go with the guy who's making exponential improvement.
i absolutely agree. Keenum moved the offense a lot smoother than Yates did.

That alone should have told them that Keenum's upside is much greater than yates. Looking back on it, we should have traded Yates right before the season started. We could have pried away a draft pick from another team desperate for competent QB play. Not anymore. I dont think we can get any picks for yates or schaub.
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Even diehard Coog fans are split on Keenum's NFL impact. There will be no local groundswell to replace Schaub as the starter. Unless Schaub is playing very poorly. This is not analogous to VY coming out of UT.
I did say "Unless...". I think Keenum's preseason performance also has to factor in the current support. He looked like a NFL QB. I think that changed a lot of opinions on Case.
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I did say "Unless...". I think Keenum's preseason performance also has to factor in the current support. He looked like a NFL QB. I think that changed a lot of opinions on Case.
I saw some things from Keenum during the preseason that .... after watching again , I have serious concerns about going into KC.
Mainly throwing deep out routes and the zip on the ball being just a bit lacking - granted on those two or three throws in question he was either moving or had significant pressure in his face and unable to step into the throws.

If KC is able to pressure him on those routes ... the results could look a lot like that noodle armed statue we at one time called a QB.
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I saw some things from Keenum during the preseason that .... after watching again , I have serious concerns about going into KC.
Mainly throwing deep out routes and the zip on the ball being just a bit lacking - granted on those two or three throws in question he was either moving or had significant pressure in his face and unable to step into the throws.

If KC is able to pressure him on those routes ... the results could look a lot like that noodle armed statue we at one time called a QB.
I doubt that we see "noodle arm," as those 3 throws were against the sideline with the ball put exactly where the D couldn't get to them.........and where the receivers were hit in stride. Any more zip on the ball and the receivers would have been led out of bounds over the sideline. With Case's mobility, though, expect our OL and D not to be totally worn out to the point that they again demonstrate "noodle legs."
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I saw some things from Keenum during the preseason that .... after watching again , I have serious concerns about going into KC.
Mainly throwing deep out routes and the zip on the ball being just a bit lacking - granted on those two or three throws in question he was either moving or had significant pressure in his face and unable to step into the throws.

If KC is able to pressure him on those routes ... the results could look a lot like that noodle armed statue we at one time called a QB.
Which is what I've been saying from my days at camp watching all 3 throwing side by side. When a qb can't pose a threat on certain routes,that's plays you can't run. A guy like case will be limited to hash mark throws and a few shot plays. That's not the worse thing,but it limits rt running and everything.
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I saw some things from Keenum during the preseason that .... after watching again , I have serious concerns about going into KC.
Mainly throwing deep out routes and the zip on the ball being just a bit lacking - granted on those two or three throws in question he was either moving or had significant pressure in his face and unable to step into the throws.

If KC is able to pressure him on those routes ... the results could look a lot like that noodle armed statue we at one time called a QB.
I havent't seen all of Keenum's early stuff at UH, but his last season at UH he made some fairly amazing throws. His biggest strength I saw was that he put the ball in places that no one could get to other than his receiver.

Keenum has a lot to prove, but I think he has enough tools and versatility that he can be a good QB in the league. The real question will be how his decision making is when the spotlight is on him.
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Which is what I've been saying from my days at camp watching all 3 throwing side by side. When a qb can't pose a threat on certain routes,that's plays you can't run. A guy like case will be limited to hash mark throws and a few shot plays. That's not the worse thing,but it limits rt running and everything.
If the Chiefs see it the same way you do, they will be stacking the box to take away the run...........I predict that short, weak-armed, inexperienced QB will burn the crap out of the D.
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I havent't seen all of Keenum's early stuff at UH, but his last season at UH he made some fairly amazing throws. His biggest strength I saw was that he put the ball in places that no one could get to other than his receiver.

Keenum has a lot to prove, but I think he has enough tools and versatility that he can be a good QB in the league. The real question will be how his decision making is when the spotlight is on him.
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