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Old 10-18-2013   #281
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Show me some evidence that Bush was fired by McNair and it wasn't at all Kubiak.

Who should have played over Walter? Same goes for Newton now. You have to have better players in order to replace somebody. We tried to replace Newton with Harris, but he is equally as bad.

Also, who brought an undrafted Foster off of the practice squad and gave him carries at the end of the season? Who put their trust in him as an every down, pound it 20-something times per game back the year after?

I'm sorry, but that argument is flawed. People bitching just to ***** about something.
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If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.
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If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.
I understand your position because your history is filled with defending Matt Schaub.

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We didn't have anyone outside of Chris Brown to play. You can't hand the ball off to air. Slaton was productive until injury. Salaam was the best option we had. Studdard didn't really hurt us ever, he just took up a roster spot. Okoye was held on to until it made sense financially to get rid of him. Jacoby had clear ability and still does. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were prompty fired after they proved they couldn't cut it. The coach plays the best players on his roster, it's the GM's job to upgrade that roster. Seems your issue is with the GM, which also doesn't make sense because we have upgraded literally every single one of those positions.
1) Nobody else to play...except for Arian Foster. I find it hard to believe that he didn't display enough talent and potential to be elevated to the active roster sooner than November 09, even harder to believe that he exhibited so little that Brown and Slaton were better options.

2) As a rookie in 2006, Winston would have been a better choice than Salaam who was mediocre on his good days and a liability on his bad days. If he were there to be a mentor, he could have done it from the sideline. Bringing him back on in 2009 to fill in during Brown's suspension was a major head scratcher when we could have given someone else some playing time. Classic case of Kubiak's loyalty problem. As for Studdard, I don't know what film you were watching but Studdard was a turnstile who couldn't run block to save his life - no way he should have been left in there for all 14 remaining games...he was also resigned in 2012 in another WTF moment, he has since been cut.

3) Okoye wasn't just on the roster, he was on the starting line. 11 sacks in 4 years. Benching him would have been fine to make it easier on the cap space, but Kubiak declined to do so. I think it's telling that he was gone the second Wade was hired as DC, 2+2 = Wade made that decision, not Kubiak.

4) Jones has clear ability...that didn't come out after 5 years and countless boneheaded mistakes as a Texan. It took blowing a winnable playoff game to finally get him out of here. He caught a TD pass in the SB, good for him. It doesn't change the fact that any other HC would have sent packing long before Kubes did.

5) Promptly fired after they proved they couldn't cut it? I'm pretty sure both of them were employed for an entire season. It was painfully clear that they were not NFL caliber (or even college caliber) mere weeks into their respective seasons. Bush especially, do you remember how dreadful 2010 was? A different HC doesn't hire them at all, most likely - another proof of Kubiak liking known quantities, though this is in a different sense.

6) I have mixed feeling about Rick Smith, he is a great talent scout and a bit lacking in contract management. Those being the two main functions of a GM, I don't see what he has to do with Kubiak's refusal to bench players who underperform, in some cases after several years of mediocre play.
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4) Jones has clear ability...that didn't come out after 5 years and countless boneheaded mistakes as a Texan. It took blowing a winnable playoff game to finally get him out of here. He caught a TD pass in the SB, good for him. It doesn't change the fact that any other HC would have sent packing long before Kubes did.
Seems like an over the top statement since one of the top GMs in the league and the about to be SB winning coach looked at that film and decided to hire him and at nothing close to league minimum.

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Firing just hired coordinators mid way through their first season is very rare. Smith was fired promptly. Your Bush history if off. His 1st year the D improved considerably then the second it cratered and he got fired. I understand complaining they should have hired more experienced people but not keeping them too long.
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gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.
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do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?
Not that its at all surprising but Dayne never played while Foster was on the roster. I know that stats and facts are meaningless in your own reality but it didn't happen. Again not that it's important but Brown didn't have that many carries that year. I think Moats was the primary back after Slaton went down and IIRC after Slaton went down Foster got more carries than anyone else on the team.

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Did you know, he averaged almost 60 catches and 750 yards/season his first four years here? Did you also know that even when he started to decline we finished in the top 10 in offense the last 4 years he was here?



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Do you have a genie in a bottle that is going to produce a magic OL that can start ahead of him?

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Hey texans fans, in honor of Case Keenum starting against KC, I tried to make an inspiring video with his preseason highlights. Hope you guys like it, go texans!

http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A
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A few posts being made about Kubiak throttling down Keenum with a "dink and dunk" approach, but remember the West Coast style that got him all those yards and TD's in college was more about the shorter routes with lots of YAC and not the long downfield throws. Several talking sports heads have pointed out the quick progression/release is his strength, not going downfield. If he comes in and destroys the KC defense, it will be because of excellent decisions and throws in the system. If he is successful, I doubt we get a Romo style gunslinger as much as we get Brady like precision*.




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Hey texans fans, in honor of Case Keenum starting against KC, I tried to make an inspiring video with his preseason highlights. Hope you guys like it, go texans!

http://youtu.be/fPHHuqhIm-A
not the song i would've chosen, but great video.

there are several plays in that video alone that schaub simply cant do. schaub cant sidestep in the pocket. he cant complete on the run or across his body, forget both at the same time. he cant lead routes. he cant outrun a defender (while still looking downfield). he cant drop in longer throws - the dime to jean is maybe the prettiest pass i've ever seen, 35 yard floater that should be a difficult over-the-shoulder catch hits him in stride so well jean could've caught it blindfolded.

i dont know if case will be anything more than wishful thinking, but the skills are most definitely there. these next few weeks could be very exciting.
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What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.
No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself. Schaub is not getting it done. And when that happens, they will replace you.

Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move. Not the fans. If he felt that TJ gave the team "the best chance to win", Yates would be starting. What is going on here is not ricket science. A 2-4 team is on the brink with an underachieving, injured QB that will not be brought back in 2012 with a $10 million contract. There are 2 young QBs behind him. The Texans need to know if they have something to build on, or if they need to find someone in the offseason. Pretty simple, really.
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I was at Robertson Stadium for all but two of Case's games as a Cougar. He is one of the smartest players I have seen play the game. I also watched Case on the sidelines when the defense had the ball; he does not just sit there passively, he is rallying his teammates and stays pumped up the entire time.
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No one will run Schaub out of town. He will do that himself.
Remember, it's Kubiak that is making this move.
Schaub has already done that himself, and I am not sure this was Kubiaks call, may have been McNairs.
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I sure hope Keenum balls out in a major way. Otherwise, we'll be rolling Schaub back out there in a couple weeks. Schaub is Kubiaks boy.

I just hope Keenum plays great so it'll make Kubiak look even worse when he rolls Matt back out there.
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Poor Matt, nobody cares about him anymore
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When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.
Yeah, I don't buy the argument that McNair made Kubiak start Keenum. McNair does not operate that way. Yes, I'm sure the Monday meeting with Kubiak was probably tense, and McNair pressured Kubiak to fix this mess; but no way do I think McNair told him to start Keenum.
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If Keenum doesn't embarass himself Sunday, this place is going to go nuts with Case fever. It's going to be exactly like that guy (what was his name?) that came in after Schaub got hurt and played out of this world (158 yards per game, 3 TDs 3 Ints 7.1 YPA in 5 games) and totally carried the Texans to their first playoff win.

What was that guy's name again? I can't remember. Man, whatever happened to that guy? Texanstalk was sure that he was the future and was finally going to run that Schaub bum out of town.

Was it Yates? That guy who played his first meaningful NFL action since the 2011-12 season and was instantly thrown under the bus by fans.

Ah texanstalk, you are a fickle bunch.
Lol Yates sat down as backup for the entirety of that following year. If he wouldn't been taken out his flow then maybe he would look a little better than he does now which would be better than Schaub lol. Case if he succeeds I know Schaub is out lol.
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Yeah, I don't buy the argument that McNair made Kubiak start Keenum. McNair does not operate that way. Yes, I'm sure the Monday meeting with Kubiak was probably tense, and McNair pressured Kubiak to fix this mess; but no way do I think McNair told him to start Keenum.
While I find it hard to believe that McNair told him he had to do it, you also have to look at the decision to start Swearinger over Keo. After saying that he would wait until Sunday to decide on QB, and after saying Keo would be in there, we see a complete "UnKubiak like" move to put Keenum and Swearinger in. It's such a 180 from what we have always seen from Kubiak, it's strange. Did a light come on in his head, or was he "encouraged" by an outside influence? I think that's more of what people are trying to figure out...and natural assumption is that the guy footing the bill is behind it.
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Yeah , I don't think Kubiak gets a fair shake around here .... Sure he makes some mistakes but this season he's been handcuffed. I don't think there is anything he can do to make some people happy.

Even starting Yates or Keenum two weeks ago wouldn't have made much difference ..... if either had failed , everyone would say he started the wrong one - That may happen anyway & Keenum may make us wish Schaub was back under center throwing TD's to the other team. (I hope that isn't the result we get)





I was watching the Bronco's a couple weeks back and they had a clock on Manning , he got the ball out in 1.2 seconds on several occasions. If that pass is accurate , its almost impossible to defend against .... So much of Manning's success is determined pre-snap.
Most of that is done at the line of scrimmage. The QB should be able to look at the defense and adjust the play (audible) or whatever they want to do based on what they see. I trust any of our QBs at the line more than I trust the HC on the sideline to see what the defense is giving. Gary Kubiak was a career backup. I understand that he was sitting behind a HoF guy, but I don't think he'd of been starting if he had been on KC with Blackledge or NYJ with O'Brien either. In the MNF loss to Baltimore a few years ago Schaub was actually allowed to take control of the offense in the 2nd half when we were down big. He led us on some great scoring drives and put us into OT. At that point Kubiak took control back and we threw a pick 6 to end the game. Kubiak is under the firm belief that execution alone will win out. There are some circumstances where that's not going to happen and the QB needs to be able to make the adjustment. He is a micromanager to the extreme and that limits this team.
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