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Old 10-17-2013   #261
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As to why Keenum is getting the start, it's probably because Kubiak is feeling the pressure to make a change !
I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.
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I'm thinking along with you that the coach may have been pressured from above. I'm thrilled, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I took my doctorate from U H; that was before Case played for them. It would be just as nice if we could start Johnny Football.
When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.
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Give either one of them Derek Newton or Wade Smith and they'll fold like a house of cards.


Pretty sure the Broncos are missing 3 of their starting offensive linemen including both tackles.
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I will actually watch this game now just to see what Case does. I was gonna skip this game, and that would have made two weeks in a row. Whether he comes out and kicks ass or falls short, is to be be seen. At least its some kind enthusiasm for me to tune in.
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I look at the upcoming game this way:

Yes, we're all afraid of Case becoming "Kubieized" with dull and lackluster play-calling, but the excitement I am beginning to feel at this point is the ways in which those same plays could/will break down, and it's left to Keenum to work his way out of them.
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I'm not afraid if that at all.

Neither am I. This [quote below] is all I needed to hear. Kubiak will allow Case to play within the system the way the entire system was meant to be played with the right QB..........utilizing not some, but all the facets of the system..........i.e., a mix which includes finesse, deceit, creativity and openness..........the latter two of which we have not seen because of the limitations of the QB.

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I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.
Kubiak has a fetish for the known, TJ would still be starting if it were just about Schaub being hurt. Naming Keenum the starter (especially this soon after he started splitting first string reps in practice) is a big deal given Kubiak's history. Either he feels the pressure or Keenum was an unstoppable beast in practice. I hope it's the latter, but it's probably the former.
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I don't know if keenum is a warrior but ill be pleased if he doesn't go down like Schaub aka the fainting goat.



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When has Bob ever showed any signs of getting involved in coaching decisions? Lately Gary is doing a lot of things that deserve to be criticized but the hate from some on this board is laughable.
Yeah , I don't think Kubiak gets a fair shake around here .... Sure he makes some mistakes but this season he's been handcuffed. I don't think there is anything he can do to make some people happy.

Even starting Yates or Keenum two weeks ago wouldn't have made much difference ..... if either had failed , everyone would say he started the wrong one - That may happen anyway & Keenum may make us wish Schaub was back under center throwing TD's to the other team. (I hope that isn't the result we get)



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Pretty sure the Broncos are missing 3 of their starting offensive linemen including both tackles.
I was watching the Bronco's a couple weeks back and they had a clock on Manning , he got the ball out in 1.2 seconds on several occasions. If that pass is accurate , its almost impossible to defend against .... So much of Manning's success is determined pre-snap.
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Kubiak has a fetish for the known, TJ would still be starting if it were just about Schaub being hurt. Naming Keenum the starter (especially this soon after he started splitting first string reps in practice) is a big deal given Kubiak's history. Either he feels the pressure or Keenum was an unstoppable beast in practice. I hope it's the latter, but it's probably the former.
As opposed to having a fetish for the unknown? Who wants their coach to regularly trust unknown commodities?
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Find any video of Brady or Manning folding this season like Schaub has done at least twice this year.
Sorry, I don't have a video library of all the games this season. But just doing a quick search on youtube, I found these of Manning. I couldn't find any of Brady real quick on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ptzy11RZs

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As opposed to having a fetish for the unknown? Who wants their coach to regularly trust unknown commodities?
It's not black and white like that. Kubiak has stuck with plenty of known quantities long after their expiration dates, long after any other coach would have taken a flyer on the unknown.
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It's not black and white like that. Kubiak has stuck with plenty of known quantities long after their expiration dates, long after any other coach would have taken a flyer on the unknown.
Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.
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Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.
Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Ephraim Salaam, Kasey Studdard in 2009, Jacoby Jones, Kris Brown, Matt Turk, Amobi Okoye, Richard Smith and Frank Bush (both of whom were past their expiration midway through the season), and yes Marciano...just to name a few.
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Chris Brown, Steve Slaton, Ephraim Salaam, Kasey Studdard in 2009, Jacoby Jones, Kris Brown, Matt Turk, Amobi Okoye, Richard Smith and Frank Bush (both of whom were past their expiration midway through the season), and yes Marciano...just to name a few.
We didn't have anyone outside of Chris Brown to play. You can't hand the ball off to air. Slaton was productive until injury. Salaam was the best option we had. Studdard didn't really hurt us ever, he just took up a roster spot. Okoye was held on to until it made sense financially to get rid of him. Jacoby had clear ability and still does. Richard Smith and Frank Bush were prompty fired after they proved they couldn't cut it. The coach plays the best players on his roster, it's the GM's job to upgrade that roster. Seems your issue is with the GM, which also doesn't make sense because we have upgraded literally every single one of those positions.
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I think the reason is simple - Schaub is hurt and we know what we have in Yates .... Keenum on the other hand is a complete unknown.


Starting Keenum at this point isn't even a gamble .... its win or .... at least we tried.
I hope that's not the reason we're starting Keenum.

I hope we're starting Keenum because the future is now. Back in the preseason QB "competition" thread I stated my belief was that we were on a course to the Super Bowl. Schaub isn't special, but he was good enough to win a Super Bowl. If for whatever reason he got hurt, Tj was going to be able to step in, help us through a few games, then Schaub was going to come back & finish it. Worst case scenario, Schaub & Tj got hurt & the team rally around Keenum and we're still competitive in the play-offs.

I felt there might be some truth to the Keenum is the future at QB for this team. That that was the reason we didn't bring any other QBs in this offseason. That the plan was to prepare him to start next season & continue our dominance of the AFC South.

Then we lost 4 in a row & Tj blew his opportunity. the future is now.

If Keenum wasn't projected to be our future at QB, & he's starting because he can't be any worse than the other guys, this is going to be a long season & not because we'll be playing in January.
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Like who? Joe Marciano and who else? He's made changes to the defensive coordinator a few times, running backs, offensive lineman, wide receivers, etc.
gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.

do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?

do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?

do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?

Need I go on??
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I'm very excited by this move. I give Kubiak all the credit. I think he truly believes in Keenum. That's why he made the roster. Keenum probably reminds Kubiak of himself. A gym rat, made-not-born QB.

Carr was forced on Kubiak by McNair. Schaub was in the league 3 years before Kubiak traded for him. Yates and Keenum were Kubiak creations, and Yates has shown that he doesn't have what it takes to carry a team. He's shaky. Keenum is Kubiak's guy, and you could tell by the way he talked about him in preseason. How he challenged Keenum by going for it on 4th down.

Most everyone sees this game as a litmus test for Keenum. I see it for Kubiak. Everything in the playbook is on the table and he has a QB that is an extension of himself.
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gary didn't fire frank bush, bob mcnair did.

do you not remember chris brown and ron dayne drawing starts while arian was on the practice squad?

do you not remember kevin walter lined up as our WR2 for all those years?

do you not see derek newton getting abused game after game?

Need I go on??
Show me some evidence that Bush was fired by McNair and it wasn't at all Kubiak.

Who should have played over Walter? Same goes for Newton now. You have to have better players in order to replace somebody. We tried to replace Newton with Harris, but he is equally as bad.

Also, who brought an undrafted Foster off of the practice squad and gave him carries at the end of the season? Who put their trust in him as an every down, pound it 20-something times per game back the year after?

I'm sorry, but that argument is flawed. People bitching just to ***** about something.
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