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Old 10-17-2013   #161
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Not sure if serious. Shouldn't you start at the Drew Brees-lite level first........then work up to Brady-lite?
If he's got a pair of nutts, he's going to win a Super Bowl with this team.
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However, on the flip side, perhaps the perceived predictability...
The fact is it's pretty easy to call the play after it's over. Opposing defences have said many times one of the hardest elements of facing Houston's offence is there are so many permutations from the same look. More importantly, if these 'experts' can predict our plays so easily then they're missing out on a fat paycheck from an NFL team...

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Makes me wonder if this is Elway and Tebow all over again.


except you know Kubiak CHOSE to pick up keenum. tebow was a pre-Elway decision that Elway wanted gone. no correlation at all except you've read too many Denver-Houston links over the last few years

anyway congrats to case. didn't think he'd get the start tbh but im very excited to see how he plays and hope he does well. the offence was regressing under schaub so hope he provides the spark to get us back to the 09/10 big play offence. his mobility and unpredictability should make for an exciting sunday.
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How piss off will everybody be if Case helps win the game and Schaub starts after the bye? It will be a meltdown. Apocalyptic I say...

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No, he's not. That's become abundantly clear over the past few years.

The only reason he's making changes now is because his back is up against the wall and it gives him some time to fend off the 'firing' talk.
Agreed.

One move - going to his third string quarterback because his starter is injured - isn't going to magically elevate Kubiak from his seven years of incredible averageness
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How piss off will everybody be if Case helps win the game and Schaub starts after the bye? It will be a meltdown. Apocalyptic I say...

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If Matt is ready after the bye Case would have to have one hell of a game to keep Matt from going back in
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There is a difference between predicting plays and knowing tendencies.

If you know that a team likes to run a certain play in a certain situation and you know that the qb likes to throw here when x happens that allows you to get a jump on things.

Every player isn't aware enough for that though. But there are a lot that are. There are also coaches that will point these tendencies out to players.

So when you are out there on the field you don't know what's coming. You may have a good idea though. But if you are guessing and a team breaks tendency you could get beat big time.

On the Richard Sherman pick he knew Schaub was going to force it or take a sack. He knew Schaub wasn't going to evade the free rusher and find the deep man behind him. So he took a calculated risk based off of tendency.

But that's a tendency not likely to be broken since Schaub is Schaub.
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So I wonder how many of our posters here are, in their heart of hearts, rooting for Keenum to fail, so they can be validated. People hate being wrong on things they are vested in. I have no idea why they're vested in Keenum's failure, but you can tell from the vitriol around here by a few that they are.

Hope he plays well, hope the Texans win, and hope he beats out the competition in camp next year. I can tell you that I'll be back on the edge of my seat this week, unlike the last seven quarters of football.
Not everyone is like that. I firmly believed that giving Kubiak an extension after 2010 was a mistake, and even had to deal with friends taunting me about it. Now that it appears that I was right, that doesn't make me happy. That makes me frustrated, because this is my team and it upsets me that we're still behind when we could have been settling in with a new coach.

If you're a reasonable, mature sports fan, winning and success should come before any kind of validation.
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Why are folks second guessing Kubiak's playcalling?
Because people have difficulty discerning the difference between the play call & the QBs decision.

On 3rd & 8 if the QB throws to the 5 yard route, they think it was a bad play call.
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I understand that perspective.

However, on the flip side, perhaps the perceived predictability was due to the limitations imposed by the QB.



Schaub has tended to telegraph his reads. We see it in the replays where he's locked onto his receiver and never looks away. I am positive that this was the case with at least two of his pick 6's this year.

Heck, even the announcers point out wide open receivers that never got looked at.

Personnel often dictate gameplan. Not having a QB that can even escape the breath of pressure puts severe limitations on play calling.

BTW, I'm not letting Kubiak completely off the hook. It's ultimately ALL his responsibility as a head coach.

That being said, I do look forward to seeing what Case's skill-set can bring to the table with regards to calling plays.



YES! I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I would not have a problem if Keenum becomes his savior, even if it means saving his head coach's job.

I'm not ready for a rebuild. This season still has life left in it, dammit!!
And I'm not letting the players off the hook either. Schaub has played horrible, our o-line has played horrible.......

I just think a blueprint has been set on how to beat this team. Some of those INT were because the DB or safety or LB was sitting on the route and our QB threw the ball anyway. And good QB's are still walking all over us.

We need some adjustments to our thinking is all.


I don't think this season is over by a long shot!

The month of NOV looks very winnable and we can make serious strides against the Colts by beating them.
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Cries of predictability follow L's. Lose a few games and everyone becomes Captain I Knew the Play.
I knew you were going to say that.
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A 2nd year rookie making his initial start against one of the best defenses in the league in a very loud and hostile stadium. What could go wrong? LOL
This way if he torches the heck out of the Chiefs we'll know he can handle some of the other D's we'll face.

It's the best move we can make. You want to see what you have in Keenum before you go into next season. If he looks good enough this week he'll might very well be the starter for the rest of the season. Depending on how he does will tell the team a lot about where they need to look in the draft to get a QB. If he struggles most of the year I wouldn't be surprised with a 1st round QB. If he plays well, the offense starts scoring, and we win games then maybe we look for a 4th round QB.

I think at least 1 and maybe 2 of the QBs on the roster right now will be gone next year.
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I don't see anything that says Kubiak is going to run anything but his system with keenum at QB. Schuab has been immobile outlier, but generally this version of the WCO has relied on QBs with at least average mobility. Keenum because of this may look like he is running some other play, but honestly, will probably not be doing anything "new."
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If Matt is ready after the bye Case would have to have one hell of a game to keep Matt from going back in
That's going to be the true test of where Kubiak is right now. If he is serious about turning it around, winning, and saving his job he'd have to keep Keenum in there if he plays well.

It's going to be interesting to see what kind of game plan. I hope we don't see what Vinny suggested and a heavy dose of 23. Well, I don't mind it because it could help us win, but I want to see what Keenum can do. I want him to take the training wheels off the ferrari and open it up. Don't give him the start and then handcuff him with 5 yard routes sprinkled into the 35 runs by Foster and Tate.
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This way if he torches the heck out of the Chiefs we'll know he can handle some of the other D's we'll face.

It's the best move we can make. You want to see what you have in Keenum before you go into next season. If he looks good enough this week he'll might very well be the starter for the rest of the season. Depending on how he does will tell the team a lot about where they need to look in the draft to get a QB. If he struggles most of the year I wouldn't be surprised with a 1st round QB. If he plays well, the offense starts scoring, and we win games then maybe we look for a 4th round QB.

I think at least 1 and maybe 2 of the QBs on the roster right now will be gone next year.
I guess my humor isn't always recognizable. I am a HUGE Keenum fan. But you and others that have said pretty much the same thing are right. This Sunday we find out if our 3rd QB is going to make it. Because we've already seen the 1st two aren't. Schaub is outlived his stay in Houston, TJ isn't going to be a starter. All that's left is to check out Keenum so we'll know where to draft a QB next year.

That said, GO KEENUM!
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I almost fell out of my chair when I heard it. I just turned 610 on when it was announced. I wonder if this may have been pushed forward by Bob, as I don't see Kubiak being able to make that decision on his own.
I think you're begining to understand the way things work on Kirby.
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Because people have difficulty discerning the difference between the play call & the QBs decision.

On 3rd & 8 if the QB throws to the 5 yard route, they think it was a bad play call.
Not all throws are designed to go past the sticks while in the air. Some are designed for the receiver to make a play and get some yards after catch. The best QB decision isnt always to throw past the first down marker.
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Not all throws are designed to go past the sticks while in the air. Some are designed for the receiver to make a play and get some yards after catch. The best QB decision isnt always to throw past the first down marker.
That's true. It also isn't the best QB decision to always throw short of the marker. That's when DBs start sitting on routes.
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That's true. It also isn't the best QB decision to always throw short of the marker. That's when DBs start sitting on routes.
Haha exactly. Matt should read that.
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Keenum interview today.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...-named-starter
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