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Old 10-16-2013   #101
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I didnt start the ifs. The question was about season tickets. You then chimmed in talking about watching the game, viewing the sidelines, breaking things down, analyzing etc. You started at the ifs.
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So, no more insight than absolutely anyone? Face it, you started this farce and it's painfully easy to knock down your assertion.
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Do NFL coaches who get fired get replaced by season ticket holders? D-3 Coaches? D-1 players without coaching experience?

Never said they did.

Don't want to put words in your mouth: Are you saying that Kubiak knows what he is doing?

Do you agree with what he is doing?

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*Sigh* NOW who's throwing in if's ands and buts? If you're AT the damn game, you see more than at home. Pretty simple and NOT a strawman.

You're absolutely full of ****. Why don't you tell me what Duane Brown's face looked like after the pick-6 in SF? I was less than 20 feet away when he came back to the bench. It sure as hell wasn't exuding confidence in Schaub. I saw a guy trying his damndest NOT to scream in frustration.
It looked the same as Schaub's did when he sulked on the sideline...

It looked the same as Kubiak's roaming the sideline when the camera panned to him right after.

It looked the same as JJ Watt's in the post game presser..

...Everyone sees it & everyone is showing it..Just b/c you get to see it in person as a season ticket holder doesn't give you any more insight into what's going on with the team than us watching at home...
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Both of these coaches are branches on someone else's tree. It's a bit disingenuous to duct tape their resumes to Kubiak's little sapling.

If you really want to make that argument, so be it. But it stinks of desperation if that's all he's got to brag about.
I'm not arguing that Kubiak developed either of them, only that they could "challenge" his job.
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when combined with everything else...it holds weight.

Weiss, Crennel, McDaniels, Mangini... Belichick's coaching tree is horrid...at this point, it's being propped up by Nick Saban & I guess you can add Bill Obrien at Penn State. But nobody looks at the hoodie the same way as Kubiak b/c he's a good coach & he's got the skins on the wall to prove it.

Kubiak ain't got **** on the wall & his coaching tree is garbage.....it's all pretty telling.
I agree. Didn't say any different.
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Might want to read your quote: So, no more insight than absolutely anyone? Face it, you started this farce and it's painfully easy to knock down your assertion.


You might need to learn to comprehend what you have read. Being a season ticket holder does not give you anything over another person. If you are going to go to a game season ticket holder or not you would have to put in some type of effort above being a ticket holder to be ahead of anyone else. Simply going to the games doesnt grant you any advantage.
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Never said they did.

Don't want to put words in your mouth: Are you saying that Kubiak knows what he is doing?

Do you agree with what he is doing?



Does Gary know what he is doing? yes

Does that mean I agree with his choices? No

Does that mean that fans know how to run a team? No
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Does Gary know what he is doing? yes

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Does that mean that fans know how to run a team? No


Just a little bit confusing.

He knows what he is doing, but you don't agree with his choices.

So just a little extrapolating here would infer that you know/think Kubiak is making bad coaching choices.

Hell, like you said, a season ticket holder or a division three coach can make bad decisions.

So there is nobody around this team who knows what the hell is going on.

So what do we do now?

Are you all in for the status quo?

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Just a little bit confusing.

He knows what he is doing, but you don't agree with his choices.

So just a little extrapolating here would infer that you know/think Kubiak is making bad coaching choices.

Hell, like you said, a season ticket holder or a division three coach can make bad decisions.

So there is nobody around this team who knows what the hell is going on.

So what do we do now?

Are you all in for the status quo?


Just because someone knows how to do something better than I do it doesn't mean I have to agree with their choices. It shouldn't be too confusing
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1st of all, they won 2 games with Hoyer..the 3rd game against Buffalo when he got injured halfway through the 1st quarter, Weeden came in and played the rest of that game..In any event, it's hardly a substantial body of work to determine that making the move to Hoyer was the right move. The other end of that is the move back to Weeden was only made b/c Hoyer got hurt...not the same situation.

And hate to break it to you, but making the move to Keenum is the last move he can make....the last new move to give this team the proverbial "spark" everyone wants anyway. People want Schaub benched b/c he's not playing well....Ok, bring in Yates...he doesn't play well & people want him benched....Ok, bring in Keenum...what move are you gonna make if he plays just as bad or worse than the 2 prior to him? What, you're gonna go back to 1 of the other 2 bad qb's you benched him for & promise "this time it's gonna be different!" yeah, i'm not taking you seriously as player at that point...if i didn't stop taking you serious prior to that.

It's the very reason why coaches are so hesitant to make qb changes during the season unless they have the clear heir apparent on the sidelines...& those guys usually are 1st-2nd round draft picks the team took the year prior. & sorry to break it to you guys but Keenum isn't in that category, he's just the alternative fans are grasping for straws at b/c they haven't seen him play in the regular season yet..

I'm gonna dismiss the numbers you put for Yates..he was a rookie & all things considered he performed admirably. Last week, he was put in a bad situation.

The comparisons to Christian Ponder.....Hey, that's what happens when teams get film on you. Ponder started out great last year....If i recall, he didn't throw an int for the 1st 3 games. teams got film on him, started figuring out his tendencies, game, set, match. It happens to every qb in this league....& it will happen to Keenum. Ultimately i'm not confident he'll be able to sustain any good play for the long haul.
And to add to it,people forget about the playoff win or the win vs the falcons or the game winning drive vs the bengals. Nah,don't brng that up,it doesn't matter. None of it. The bomb thrown in stride to aj vs the bengals,the pinpoint pass to jacobe in which they got a pi,nor the scramble that put them in position. No we just want case cuz he got it and showed it in preseason! Man I tell you,lol
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And to add to it,people forget about the playoff win or the win vs the falcons or the game winning drive vs the bengals. Nah,don't brng that up,it doesn't matter. None of it. The bomb thrown in stride to aj vs the bengals,the pinpoint pass to jacobe in which they got a pi,nor the scramble that put them in position. No we just want case cuz he got it and showed it in preseason! Man I tell you,lol
Where has that level of play been since then? Where was that level of play against the Ravens? Where was it when he replaced Schaub on two occasions this season?

you could almost argue Yates had his peak in the Bengals game. Haven't seen any thing better - or even as good - since that one game.

...unless you're gonna now say this past pre-season counts...
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I have yet to see Kubiak do that this season when his team needed it the most.
Yeah those first two games were nail-biters! Shame you missed them.
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Where has that level of play been since then? Where was that level of play against the Ravens? Where was it when he replaced Schaub on two occasions this season?

you could almost argue Yates had his peak in the Bengals game. Haven't seen any thing better - or even as good - since that one game.

...unless you're gonna now say this past pre-season counts...
So dude takes no reps in practice and comes into a game when its clearly out of hand and you ask about level of play since? You have to be better than that I hope. If he starts vs kc and looks like he did in mop up duty vs the ravens and rams,then I might lean toward you. I'm not gonna base what I see on yates from 2 out of hand ball games just as I want give keenum the job playing against bartenders.
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I'm not gonna base what I see on yates from 2 out of hand ball games just as I want give keenum the job playing against bartenders.
But...I thought Schaub only plays well in garbage time? So why can't Yates?
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