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Old 10-16-2013   #81
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What kind of tree does Mike McCarthy have after 8 years?
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We all would. But we're not going to see it under Kubiak.
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No strawmen - trying to get a feel for you experience or lack thereof as it relates to your line of questioning to other members' contributions on the subject matter.

Kubiak knows his X's and O's, but does not show the ability to lead a team, adjust or innovate. For those that are season ticket holders and are invested in the Texan experience, coupled with their experience in the sports and business world, this is evident. Their discussion on the matter is worth propagating, not stifling as you attempt to do on a regular basis.


Being a season ticket holder gives you no more insight or ability to judge whats going on than any other persons. It is building strawmen. As far as coaching or playing experiance people employed to do the job at the NFL level usually would have a better idea of what they are doing than D-3 once upon a time player or coach.
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What kind of tree does Mike McCarthy have after 8 years?
Don't know about his "tree".

Games over .500: 37
Super Bowl Wins: 1
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Don't know about his "tree".

Games over .500: 37
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Exactly. He's pretty successful & as far as I know, he doesn't have a tree yet. So... just because Kubiak doesn't have a tree doesn't mean anything in & of itself.
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What kind of tree does Mike McCarthy have after 8 years?
Does it really matter when he's got an NFL Championship on his resume?

However, I would not be surprised to look a back on his staff in ten years and see the tree growing.

But, with regards to McCarthy's tree so far (as Kaiser already mentioned):

Assistant coaches under Mike McCarthy who became NFL head coaches:

Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins (2012 – present)

Assistant coaches under Mike McCarthy who became NCAA head coaches:

Jeff Jagodzinski, Boston College (2007–2008)

But I think you are missing my point. Kubiak does not hire assistants that might challenge his job.

Your homerism is cute and all, but sometimes it completely fails in the face of logic and facts.
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What kind of tree does Mike McCarthy have after 8 years?
Joe Philbin - HC of the Dolphins.
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Being a season ticket holder gives you no more insight or ability to judge whats going on than any other persons. It is building strawmen.
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than D-3 once upon a time player or coach.


Usually? Not in this instance. NFL coaches get fired all the time. And it ain't because they know what they are doing.


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Assistant coaches under Mike McCarthy who became NFL head coaches:

Joe Philbin, Miami Dolphins (2012 present)

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Jeff Jagodzinski, Boston College (20072008)
So I was wrong, he does have a tree. & I like what's happening in Miami.

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But I think you are missing my point. Kubiak does not hire assistants that might challenge his job.
I think both Wade & Sherman could have challenged for his job.

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Your homerism is cute and all, but sometimes it completely fails in the face of logic and facts.
It's not about homerism, it's about establishing the logic & the facts. I'm sure I'm not the only one who didn't know McCarthy's coaching tree included Joe Philbin. & Mike McCarthy is more of an apples to apples comparison than Fassel, as they both got their first HC gig in 2006, had the same amount of time to develop coaches, & dealt with the same NFL "atmosphere."
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Exactly. He's pretty successful & as far as I know, he doesn't have a tree yet. So... just because Kubiak doesn't have a tree doesn't mean anything in & of itself.
It's just an observation during analysis, man. Do not try to read too much into it.

The point is that Kubiak's entire body of work speaks for itself. His lack of coaching tree is just another line in the Power Point presentation, not the be all/end all to form an entire big picture perspective.

Kubiak's resume says all you need to know. He's got some good qualities about him. Unfortunately, being a great head coach is not one of them right now.
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Usually? Not in this instance. NFL coaches get fired all the time. And it ain't because they know what they are doing.


I can name one D3 player who coached a Super Bowl winner.
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Usually? Not in this instance. NFL coaches get fired all the time. And it ain't because they know what they are doing.




Do NFL coaches who get fired get replaced by season ticket holders? D-3 Coaches? D-1 players without coaching experience?
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I think both Wade & Sherman could have challenged for his job.
Both of these coaches are branches on someone else's tree. It's a bit disingenuous to duct tape their resumes to Kubiak's little sapling.

If you really want to make that argument, so be it. But it stinks of desperation if that's all he's got to brag about.
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Exactly. He's pretty successful & as far as I know, he doesn't have a tree yet. So... just because Kubiak doesn't have a tree doesn't mean anything in & of itself.
when combined with everything else...it holds weight.

Weiss, Crennel, McDaniels, Mangini... Belichick's coaching tree is horrid...at this point, it's being propped up by Nick Saban & I guess you can add Bill Obrien at Penn State. But nobody looks at the hoodie the same way as Kubiak b/c he's a good coach & he's got the skins on the wall to prove it.

Kubiak ain't got **** on the wall & his coaching tree is garbage.....it's all pretty telling.
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Being a season ticket holder gives you no more insight or ability to judge whats going on than any other persons. It is building strawmen. As far as coaching or playing experiance people employed to do the job at the NFL level usually would have a better idea of what they are doing than D-3 once upon a time player or coach.
If you went to games and closed your eyes, then sure. For those of us who actually go and watch not only the plays on the field, but the expressions on the bench and the general attitude away from the play-by-play, it can paint a different picture.

Sure, the players can all say publicly that they have Schaub's back. Their body language on the sideline paints a far different picture.

That's NOT a strawman, that's observation & analysis.
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If you went to games and closed your eyes, then sure. For those of us who actually go and watch not only the plays on the field, but the expressions on the bench and the general attitude away from the play-by-play, it can paint a different picture.

Sure, the players can all say publicly that they have Schaub's back. Their body language on the sideline paints a far different picture.

That's NOT a strawman, that's observation & analysis.


Being a season ticket or psl holder is a strawman. Start adding all the ifs in that you want and you might start getting to a point. Not being a season ticket holder doesnt prevent me from going to more games than a random season ticket holder. If I was a season ticket holder in the 600s would I still get the same message board cred? Or do I have to be lower?
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If you went to games and closed your eyes, then sure. For those of us who actually go and watch not only the plays on the field, but the expressions on the bench and the general attitude away from the play-by-play, it can paint a different picture.

Sure, the players can all say publicly that they have Schaub's back. Their body language on the sideline paints a far different picture.

That's NOT a strawman, that's observation & analysis.
dude...it has nothing to do with it, we at home see just as much as you do on the field...& guess since schaub's body language is poor too, i guess we should believe then that he doesn't have faith in himself or the team too right?
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Being a season ticket or psl holder is a strawman. Start adding all the ifs in that you want and you might start getting to a point. Not being a season ticket holder doesnt prevent me from going to more games than a random season ticket holder. If I was a season ticket holder in the 600s would I still get the same message board cred? Or do I have to be lower?
*Sigh* NOW who's throwing in if's ands and buts? If you're AT the damn game, you see more than at home. Pretty simple and NOT a strawman.

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dude...it has nothing to do with it, we at home see just as much as you do on the field...& guess since schaub's body language is poor too, i guess we should believe then that he doesn't have faith in himself or the team too right?
You're absolutely full of ****. Why don't you tell me what Duane Brown's face looked like after the pick-6 in SF? I was less than 20 feet away when he came back to the bench. It sure as hell wasn't exuding confidence in Schaub. I saw a guy trying his damndest NOT to scream in frustration.
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*Sigh* NOW who's throwing in if's ands and buts? If you're AT the damn game, you see more than at home. Pretty simple and NOT a strawman

I didnt start the ifs. The question was about season tickets. You then chimmed in talking about watching the game, viewing the sidelines, breaking things down, analyzing etc. You started at the ifs. Holding season tickets or going to games doesnt alone give you any extra credit either as you could be either not paying attention, getting ****faced or just going to have fun.


All of these ifs and bs aside the people employed by the Texans, any other NFL team in some coaching capacity more than likely have a much better idea of whats going on than the fans do. Even super analyzing psl seat owners 1st row on the 50 yard line with access to everyone mic'd up fans
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