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Old 10-15-2013   #21
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Just to be on the same page as you, how many snaps does one need to be enough? Has Yates had that amount of snaps this year?

Im not sure how many Yates has but Id guess its more than zero. Also I said if you liked Case you would want him to get the two weeks worth of work before hand. If you throw him out in KC and his ass gets handed to him that could very well be his only chance in the NFL
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I need to know they're playing for more than a paycheck.
I think that should be covered during the interview and coach's resume should show that. I get what you're saying but, it should never have to come to that, especially with the talent we have.
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Appeal to the masses eh? Well, i guess if we're in fairy tale land, that might work for like a week...
But Al Pacino's Any Given Sunday style speeches will work, huh?

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Im not sure how many Yates has but Id guess its more than zero. Also I said if you liked Case you would want him to get the two weeks worth of work before hand. If you throw him out in KC and his ass gets handed to him that could very well be his only chance in the NFL
I saw Keenum in the preseason and his skillset seemed to be a better fit for this offense. His effort or potential earned him a spot on this team - decided by his coach, who some folks deem as a developer of QBs. The two QBs above Keenum on the depth chart are not capable of adding value to this offense based on injury and performance.

I really don't care about Keenum getting work, this is more than that- it is next man up. Yates knows what that means, just as Leinart did in 2011.

Put him in, and put it back on the other 52 guys to raise their game up. Unless Kubiak thinks his system, if executed properly, is the only thing that will get this team out of the funk.
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I saw Keenum in the preseason and his skillset seemed to be a better fit for this offense. His effort or potential earned him a spot on this team - decided by his coach, who some folks deem as a developer of QBs. The two QBs above Keenum on the depth chart are not capable of adding value to this offense based on injury and performance.

I really don't care about Keenum getting work, this is more than that- it is next man up. Yates knows what that means, just as Leinart did in 2011.

Put him in, and put it back on the other 52 guys to raise their game up. Unless Kubiak thinks his system, if executed properly, is the only thing that will get this team out of the funk.



Well that awesome preseason performance was only enough to earn him the #3 and it was the same QB coaching talents you speak of that put him #3, kept him there and put Yates in Sunday.
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Well that awesome preseason performance was only enough to earn him the #3 and it was the same QB coaching talents you speak of that put him #3, kept him there and put Yates in Sunday.
What do you propose? And what results do you expect?
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What do you propose? And what results do you expect?


If you think Case is the answer you let yates get the rough end of the stick sunday and you give Case two weeks to get ready. The results? Losses. Thats a typical outcome with 2nd and 3rd stringers coming is. See Yates record as a starter for recent history
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See Yates record as a starter for recent history
Keenum's record as a starter: 31-11.
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Keenum's record as a starter: 31-11.


in the nfl? Oh wait you are talking about meaningless college stats
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In Kubiak's press conference yesterday, he was asked who would start this week and responded that he would see how Schaub was at the end of the week. I think that tells us everything. If Schaub is healthy, he starts. Kubes is just digging his own grave.
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Keenum's record as a starter: 31-11.
Vince Young's record was better, plus a National Championship. Yeah, that matters in this league.
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In Kubiak's press conference yesterday, he was asked who would start this week and responded that he would see how Schaub was at the end of the week. I think that tells us everything. If Schaub is healthy, he starts. Kubes is just digging his own grave.


or maybe it means even as a gimp Schaub is the best the Texans have
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Just to be on the same page as you, how many snaps does one need to be enough? Has Yates had that amount of snaps this year?
Mr. Owl, how many snaps does it take in order to determine if a QB is ready for primetime?

A one
A two
A three
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Three!
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Keenum is the only QB on the team that has a legit chance to truly lead this team from the qb position. Keenum best case scenerio is he is a game savior that can run when needed and make good passes and decisions. Keenum worst case scenerio is unknown. Yates best case scenario is a game manager not making turnovers but we don't win. Yates worst case scenario is what we saw this past sunday. Schaub's best case scenario is he is a game manager that doesn't turnover the football but we don't win. Schaub's worst case scenerio is pick 6 and sacks all day long. In this situation you go with Keenum.
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Keenum is the only QB on the team that has a legit chance to truly lead this team from the qb position. Keenum best case scenerio is he is a game savior that can run when needed and make good passes and decisions. Keenum worst case scenerio is unknown. Yates best case scenario is a game manager not making turnovers but we don't win. Yates worst case scenario is what we saw this past sunday. Schaub's best case scenario is he is a game manager that doesn't turnover the football but we don't win. Schaub's worst case scenerio is pick 6 and sacks all day long. In this situation you go with Keenum.
Again..............for the 300th time.................... what on earth could you possibly be basing the bolded statement on? What has he done in the NFL to keep making this statement? You guys keep saying this & you have 0 to hang your hat on....making it seem like this is Doug Flutie coming back to the NFL after winning all kinds of grey cups in the CFL.

His physical skill set? Ok, there are lots of guys in the NFL (& out of the NFL) with his skill set..some of them have even better skill sets...So what? It does not project them to be NFL quality starters.

Don't get me wrong, i would want nothing more than my fellow Coog to come in, take this team by the reigns & lead us to the playoffs & be the guy for the next 10 years. But it flies completely in the face of logic to say the bolded. There is nothing on his NFL resume to indicate that & you guys have to stop with the hyperbole.


It doesn't mean you don't give him a shot....

It doesn't mean that the potential isn't there.....

It doesn't mean that he can't become a quality NFL starter...
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A week of snaps for someone who has taken zero, that should be enough
Yeah because he has never played football before.

Was he on your badminton squad previously?

Oh wait, he has played a little ball ...
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Well that awesome preseason performance was only enough to earn him the #3 and it was the same QB coaching talents you speak of that put him #3, kept him there and put Yates in Sunday.
We all know the only reason Case was #3 is Kubiak has this ignorant regard for veteran seniority, and places more weight in how long someone has been around than in what they are able to do. If the contest was just who is the best QB, Case would have started from day one.
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Again..............for the 300th time.................... what on earth could you possibly be basing the bolded statement on?
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